--- Log opened Sun Jun 01 00:00:09 2008 00:06 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-051-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 00:15 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 00:24 -!- IcyT is now known as icyt 05:12 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 06:34 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 06:43 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 07:12 < v-dogg> huomenta 07:38 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-061-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 08:01 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 08:04 < MikeSeth> hay guise 08:04 < MikeSeth> huomenta 08:21 < Wombert> huomenta marklar|omni 08:21 < Wombert> err MikeSeth 08:23 < _cheerios> huomenta 08:23 < MikeSeth> halo 08:26 < MikeSeth> sigh 08:26 < MikeSeth> the first thing in the morning is an email that begins like this 08:26 < MikeSeth> "is it come from firewall?" 08:35 < _cheerios> i had won 750,000 08:45 < _cheerios> govt slackers: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.635619.17 08:58 < marklar|omni> hai guise 09:12 -!- icyt is now known as IcyT 11:15 -!- fholmstrom [n=fredrik@host136.visattranr1.se] has joined #agavi 11:16 < fholmstrom> Huomenta! ;) 11:32 < Wombert> somafm down :p 11:36 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 11:43 < MikeSeth> :< 11:58 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 12:22 < MikeSeth> WOMBART 12:22 < MikeSeth> WOMBART 12:22 < MikeSeth> WAEKUP 12:22 < MikeSeth> http://karwin.blogspot.com/2008/05/activerecord-does-not-suck.html 12:22 < MikeSeth> SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT!!!1! 12:24 < Wombert> dis guy 12:24 < Wombert> we must drag him in 12:24 < Wombert> rite? 12:25 < MikeSeth> I don't know 12:25 < MikeSeth> but I will try anyway :> 12:25 < Wombert> Many developers have complained that Zend Framework provides no base Model class. Of course it doesn't provide a base Model class! That's your job. This complaint is like saying that Microsoft Word sucks because it doesn't provide finished documents for you. 12:25 < Wombert> WOOHOOOO 12:25 < Wombert> :> 12:25 < Wombert> WE WIN WE WIN 12:25 < Wombert> :> 12:25 < Wombert> "for an explanation on why agavi rocks, see http://karwin.blogspot.com/2008/05/activerecord-does-not-suck.html" :p 12:26 < MikeSeth> hahahahaha 12:26 < MikeSeth> ill contact the guy by mail when im home (he left comments on my blog) 12:26 < MikeSeth> also Wombert 12:26 < MikeSeth> i'm about to release the demo CMS for agavi 12:26 < Wombert> win 12:26 < MikeSeth> let's find some use for it 12:26 < Wombert> I can has demo? 12:27 < MikeSeth> i need to rip out the current design and put in e.g. a stock template 12:50 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 12:51 < _cheerios> the final word on cms's? :) 13:15 < marklar|omni> ohai 13:16 < MikeSeth> lol wtf 13:16 < MikeSeth> boss just came in 13:16 < MikeSeth> as i was in the middle of coding 13:16 < MikeSeth> unplugged my monitor 13:16 < MikeSeth> removed it from the table 13:16 < MikeSeth> and put a new 19" instead 13:16 < MikeSeth> wtf 13:18 < Macen> lol 13:33 < marklar|omni> hehe 13:39 < marklar|omni> I haz 3 17" 13:39 < marklar|omni> maybe I should ask for two 24" 13:39 < marklar|omni> :\ 14:08 < MikeSeth> you're a jew 14:28 < MikeSeth> Wombert: have you seen my win ashtray? 14:29 < Wombert> yes 14:29 < Wombert> what was the size of the old one, MikeSeth 14:33 < MikeSeth> old one? 14:33 < MikeSeth> [[CONFUS[ 14:41 < Wombert> the old monitor 14:42 < Wombert> MikeSeth: 14:42 < Wombert> MikeSeth: 14:42 < Wombert> MikeSeth: 14:45 < MikeSeth> wat 14:47 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 15:01 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:04 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 15:05 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-061-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 15:08 < marklar|omni> ohai 15:16 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 15:27 < Macen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votes.cgi?action=show_user&bug_id=436777#vote_436777 15:27 < Macen> please vote either way if you use a mac.. (and save my sanity) ...... 15:28 < _cheerios> wth is up with eclipse today: An error has occurred. See error log for more details. Illegal UTF8 string in constant pool in class file com/ibm/icu/text/DecimalFormat 15:32 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has joined #agavi 15:34 < Wombert> oh hai 15:34 < Wombert> err, huomenta 15:34 < Wombert> <: 15:34 < Macen> hihi 15:34 < Macen> or huomenta (sp??) 15:34 < Macen> either one 15:38 -!- JamieWolf [n=JamieWol@dslb-088-068-222-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 15:39 < JamieWolf> Huomenta everyone. 15:41 < JamieWolf> I'm currently working with the FPF to prefill a form with data. Then I came to point where I what to fill a $value): ?> 15:49 < Wombert> 15:49 < Wombert> 15:50 < Wombert> I'd make a small helper function for that 15:50 < Wombert> but that is out of the scope of a framework 15:51 < saracen> Wombert, is there a way to disable parsing of html tags on form errors? I wanted to put a link in one, but it just shows the html. 15:52 < Wombert> eh? 15:52 < Wombert> ah 15:52 < Wombert> I don't think so 15:52 < Wombert> interesting 15:52 < Wombert> hmm 15:52 < Wombert> :) 15:53 < saracen> It's not essential, I was just going to flag "Password incorrect. Have you Forgotten your password?" on the login form when the username/password is incorrect. 15:53 < saracen> I can easily put the link at the bottom of the page though :P 15:54 < Wombert> yes you need to do this by hand I'm afraid 15:55 < Wombert> hmm 15:55 < Wombert> there is a way to do this, saracen :) 15:56 < Wombert> you could define a special error markup rule 15:56 < Wombert> in your error view 15:56 < Wombert> to handle this 15:57 * Wombert ponders 15:57 < Wombert> yeah 15:57 < Wombert> haha 15:57 < Wombert> win 15:57 < Wombert> :> 15:57 < Wombert> you ready saracen? 15:57 < saracen> sure =) 15:57 < Wombert> oh I gotta run 15:57 < Wombert> are you around later? 15:57 < Wombert> you'll love this 15:57 < Wombert> :) 15:57 < JamieWolf> Okay :) Thanks. 15:57 < Wombert> but gotta get into a meeting now 15:57 < saracen> lol, yeah, I will be :) 15:57 < Wombert> cool 15:57 < saracen> No problem, speak to you later. Have fun :P 15:58 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 16:01 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 16:02 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 16:03 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 16:04 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 16:09 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 16:42 < Whisller> Ahh Portugal - Poland 7 to 13. Na na na na na na na na 16:43 < Whisller> good game. I must eat something 16:50 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 16:50 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 16:52 < v-dogg> Wombert: woot woot woot 16:52 < v-dogg> tell us 16:52 < v-dogg> saracen can read it later, we want to know now 16:53 < saracen> Yeah, I can read it later. They want to know now. 17:04 < Wombert> no time 17:04 < Wombert> laterd 17:12 < v-dogg> ah, it was Wombs, not saracen, who was going to a meeting :) 17:15 < saracen> lol, yeah :P 17:17 -!- ricardo [n=ricardo@189.26.20.157.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #agavi 17:17 -!- ricardo [n=ricardo@189.26.20.157.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #agavi [] 17:23 < Macen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436777 17:23 < Macen> all mac users ^^ 17:23 < Macen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votes.cgi?action=show_user&bug_id=436777#vote_436777 17:40 < marklar|omni> haiz 17:48 < Whisller> is it for FF 2.x ? I'm waiting for 2.0 :) 17:48 < Whisller> *3.0 17:50 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 17:50 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit ["see you later"] 17:54 < Macen> bleh 18:57 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has quit ["bai"] 19:00 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:33 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-062-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 19:53 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 20:36 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 20:37 < Macen> Whisller: it is for FF3 20:38 < Macen> they didn't fix it, and i was hoping they would 20:38 < Wombert> saracen: sorry, I'm still mad busy 20:39 < Macen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/createaccount.cgi then https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/votes.cgi?action=show_user&bug_id=436777#vote_436777 20:39 < Macen> go, no, etc 20:39 < Macen> now* 20:41 < Macen> they seem to fix bugs all the time, according to "Firebot" on irc.mozilla.org/firefox, but i don't want to take the risk 20:42 < saracen> Wombert: No worries :). Just spam it in here whenever you can. If i'm not about, I'll just check the irc logs later on 20:42 < Wombert> tuesday, more likely wednesday 20:42 < Wombert> the general idea is 20:43 < Wombert> you read the field_error_messages request attrib from the fpf namespace 20:43 < Wombert> its an array as you configured it in global_filters.xml 20:43 < Wombert> then you add a new rule to the beginning 20:43 < Wombert> that only matches the password field 20:43 < Wombert> and then you define a different container for this 20:43 < Wombert> that also contains the "forgot your password? blah blah" line 20:44 < Macen> wombert please don't ever make docs like the extjs ones :< 20:44 < Macen> they are quite bad.. 20:44 < Wombert> no worries Macen 20:45 < fholmstrom> Nite nite people :) 20:46 -!- JanK [n=jan@P3106.pallas.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #agavi 20:47 < JanK> which php do you suggest for developing on osx 10.5? 20:48 < Wombert> entropy.ch or macports 20:48 < Macen> the latest one? 20:48 < Wombert> or compile by hand 20:50 < Whisller> latest ;) 20:55 < JanK> i would prefer something as simple as possible, but entropy is missing a few libs as do the built in php? 20:56 < nfq> JanK: not many mate.. 20:57 < nfq> as you know, I was using MAMP for a while 20:57 < nfq> but so glad to be using entropy 20:57 < JanK> mamp sucks 20:57 < nfq> touche 21:06 -!- LBO_ [n=chatzill@dlb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 21:06 < LBO_> huomenta 21:10 -!- LBO__ [n=chatzill@aave41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 21:11 < Macen> wb 21:11 < Macen> right i'm off 21:11 < Macen> bai 21:12 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 21:13 < Whisller> ehh there is somehting wrong with washer. I can't understand how it works ;p 21:13 < Whisller> Maybe soft is broken hmm 21:17 < Whisller> ohh it start working...or just playing with me ;) 21:29 -!- LBO_ [n=chatzill@dlb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:30 -!- LBO___ [n=chatzill@dmt131.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 21:30 -!- LBO___ is now known as LBO_ 21:49 -!- LBO__ [n=chatzill@aave41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:06 -!- JanK [n=jan@P3106.pallas.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has left #agavi [] 22:20 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-062-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 22:30 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [] 23:15 -!- LBO___ [n=chatzill@dmc86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 23:20 -!- LBO____ [n=chatzill@dms160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 23:20 -!- IcyT is now known as icyt 23:29 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:33 -!- LBO_ [n=chatzill@dmt131.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39 -!- LBO___ [n=chatzill@dmc86.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Day changed Mon Jun 02 2008 00:15 -!- LBO____ [n=chatzill@dms160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]"] 00:40 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:05 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 03:23 < v-dogg> huomenta 03:41 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-062-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 03:45 -!- JamieWolf_ [n=JamieWol@dslb-084-059-109-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 03:55 -!- JamieWolf [n=JamieWol@dslb-088-068-222-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Mon Jun 02 04:01:20 2008 --- Log opened Mon Jun 02 04:01:24 2008 04:01 -!- Chuckwalla [n=chuckwal@agavi.org] has joined #agavi 04:01 -!- Irssi: #agavi: Total of 24 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal] 04:01 -!- Irssi: Join to #agavi was synced in 2 secs 04:22 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 05:00 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-062-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["bai"] 06:32 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-177-137.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #agavi 06:42 < marklar|omni> ohai 06:46 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 07:06 < Whisller> morning 07:10 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:16 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 07:16 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 07:28 < E_mE> huomenta 07:31 < marklar|omni> huomenta 07:32 < marklar|omni> just saw a giant praying mantis outside 07:32 < marklar|omni> scary-ass insect 07:37 < _cheerios> huomenta 07:55 < E_mE> marklar|omni: step on it ;) 07:55 < E_mE> or stab it =P 07:57 < v-dogg> *sigh* 07:57 < _cheerios> 4chan it! 07:57 < v-dogg> *SIGH* 07:57 * v-dogg wants to stab someone or something, too 07:57 < _cheerios> someone drank your office milk? 07:58 < v-dogg> Finnish banks have this nice xml standard for electronic invoices 07:58 < v-dogg> and, of course, our software can output that 08:00 < v-dogg> now, after Sampo Bank switched to a new system, we need to remove a few newlines from the xml data because they can't parse the xml otherwise 08:00 * v-dogg wants to send XML for Dummies to someone 08:01 < v-dogg> we have already _added_ a few newlines for Nordea (another bank) 08:02 < v-dogg> luckily those aren't the ones Sampo trips over 08:03 < MikeSeth> ohai 08:03 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: make picturz! 08:03 < _cheerios> newlines tripping xml parsing? eh? eh? not suprised its sampo :) 08:05 < marklar|omni> kek 08:05 < marklar|omni> ZOMG NEWLINES IN XML 08:05 < v-dogg> me neither 08:05 < marklar|omni> HOW CAN BE 08:05 < marklar|omni> :( 08:05 < marklar|omni> MikeSeth: the guy with the 5k USD camera isn't here yet 08:05 < marklar|omni> I'd make some real nice pics 08:05 < v-dogg> no can haz empty lines in the data, parse error 08:05 < marklar|omni> ;[ 08:08 < Whisller> shit is there no good svn client for mac os x O.o I thought svnx is good but it doesn't support merge O.o 08:11 -!- E_mA [n=jeramy@mail.spiritusgroup.com] has joined #agavi 08:13 < Whisller> ehh shit 08:14 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #agavi 08:16 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 08:16 < Flukey> morning champs 08:17 -!- E_mE [n=jeramy@mail.spiritusgroup.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:17 -!- E_mA is now known as E_mE 08:36 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 09:00 < marklar|omni> wassah 09:01 < MikeSeth> loldongs 09:05 < marklar|omni> sup maik 09:05 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: paid arnona 09:06 < MikeSeth> also the new bill, so total is ~3k and not ~2k 09:06 < marklar|omni> did you cash my check? 09:06 < MikeSeth> no, tomorrow, was too late after the municipality 09:06 < MikeSeth> had to go to work 09:06 < marklar|omni> k 09:07 < marklar|omni> whaddaya mean total is 3k 09:07 < marklar|omni> sec 09:11 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 09:20 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 09:20 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@munich.bitxtender.net] has joined #agavi 09:30 < Macen> apple bootcamp ftw 09:30 < Macen> brb 09:30 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [" E_mE: logarithms aren't hard, they're just inverse exponents"] 09:31 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 09:32 < E_mE> how can i find out the encoding type of a web page? 09:32 < E_mE> which has not meta tags or informtation about it 09:37 < v-dogg> headers 09:39 < E_mE> response headers saying nothing :( 09:40 < v-dogg> then there is only guessing 09:40 < v-dogg> what does firefox say (Tools -> Page Info) 09:42 < E_mE> ah yes there is 09:42 < E_mE> ISO-8859-1 09:42 < E_mE> thank you :) 09:59 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-177-137.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [] 10:05 < Flukey> http://pastebin.com/m35d4eacc . How can i get it to return t.type in the array? 10:06 < v-dogg> #doctrine, perhaps 10:07 < E_mE> would there be a reason why when i request index.php that a blank page is returned 10:07 < E_mE> i even put var_dump();die; in it too 10:07 < E_mE> and it wont var_dump me value 10:15 < v-dogg> do you have something before that var_dump()? 10:18 < E_mE> its okay now, 10:18 < E_mE> was php config 10:18 < E_mE> but now im getting this XML error: 10:18 < E_mE> XML Schema validation of configuration file "/var/www/html/sgr_old/admin/agavi/config/defaults/config_handlers.xml" failed due to the following errors: 10:18 < E_mE> Line 4: Element 'handlers', [lax WC]: The namespace of the element is not allowed. 10:18 < E_mE> im assuming it might be to do with the libxml? 10:21 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 10:23 < MikeSeth> E_mE: make sure it's 2.6.30+ 10:23 < E_mE> 2.6.16 atm 10:24 < MikeSeth> duh 10:25 * v-dogg slaps E_mE 10:25 < v-dogg> newbie ;) 10:25 < v-dogg> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF 10:26 < v-dogg> people usually get this after 1-2 days with agavi :) 10:26 < v-dogg> "A typical version exhibiting this bug is 2.6.16" 10:26 * E_mE feels shameful! :( 10:27 < E_mE> i shall bookmark that bitch of a page ;) 10:28 < E_mE> v-dogg: that was a rightfully good brouse .. thank yo 10:28 < E_mE> u 10:31 < Flukey> http://pastebin.com/m3d4a923e :-( 10:33 < v-dogg> #doctrine :( 10:33 < Flukey> they don't answer :( 10:33 < v-dogg> those bastards! 10:33 < v-dogg> kill'em 10:33 < Macen> lol 10:34 < Flukey> i'm so alone in doctrine :( *smallest violin* 10:35 < v-dogg> I would love to say "switch to propel" but unfortunately #propel is even worse :) 10:35 < Flukey> never had any problems with propel :P 10:35 * Flukey holds help up high 10:35 < v-dogg> the mailing list is active and helpfull, tho 10:35 < Flukey> *hold head 10:42 < marklar|omni> * fail 10:44 < MikeSeth> Flukey: ->execute(array(), Doctrine::FETCH_ARRAY) 10:44 < MikeSeth> http://pastebin.com/m3d4a923e <- 10:49 < Flukey> MikeSeth: thanks, but i would prefer it to be like this.... http://pastebin.com/m76459fe4 10:50 < MikeSeth> Flukey: e.g. w/o the linked objects? 10:50 < Flukey> precisely MikeSeth :) 10:50 < MikeSeth> then in SQL SELECT only select the primary object 10:51 < MikeSeth> er 10:51 < MikeSeth> s/SQL/DQL 10:52 < Flukey> .... :S ? 10:54 < MikeSeth> Flukey: $q->from('WhatEverObject o')->leftJoin('o.SomeOtherObject p')->where('p.someField = ?') etc 10:54 < MikeSeth> or maybe even more explicit 10:54 < MikeSeth> $q->select('o.*')->from(...) 10:55 < Flukey> $result = $q->select('o.*, t.*') 10:55 < Flukey> ->from("QuestionnaireQuestionsOptionsRecord o") 10:55 < Flukey> ->leftJoin('o.QuestionsType t') 10:55 < Flukey> ->where('o.questionnaire_questions_id = :id', array(':id' => 14)) 10:55 < Flukey> ->execute(); 10:55 < Flukey> apologies for pasting in here :) 10:56 < Flukey> it doesn't like that :( 10:56 < MikeSeth> wait i are confus 10:56 < MikeSeth> why are you left joining t then? 10:56 < Flukey> ditto heh 10:57 < MikeSeth> if you dont mean to return it why join it? 10:57 < Flukey> i do want to return it, i want to return o.* and t.type 10:57 < MikeSeth> ooh 10:57 < MikeSeth> Doctrine is buggy 10:57 < Flukey> i don't like it :-( 10:58 < MikeSeth> when I had to do something like this I just did SELECT o.*, o.foreign_object_id, t.field 10:58 < MikeSeth> dunno if you have to select _id explicitly if you already selected * 10:58 < MikeSeth> but if you havent selected _id either way then the associated object is also not returned 11:00 < Flukey> hmmmnn. what a pain. 11:01 < Flukey> $result = $q->select('o.*, o.QuestionsType, t.type') alas, no :( 11:01 < MikeSeth> what do you get tho? 11:02 < MikeSeth> also not o.QuestionsType 11:02 < MikeSeth> you can only select fields 11:02 < MikeSeth> (imo) 11:03 < Flukey> it only returns everything in o.* 11:03 < Flukey> no t.type 11:04 < Flukey> so what do you mean about o.foreign_object_id? 11:04 < MikeSeth> well if you receive results as objects and touch the related object it would lazy-load it if you didnt ask for it in the query 11:05 < MikeSeth> if you do this in array there is no lazy loading 11:05 < MikeSeth> so you need to be explicit that you're requesting the related object in the query 11:05 < Flukey> okay. so in my case it would be? :) (afayk) 11:05 < MikeSeth> I donno it fetches the related object already, no? 11:06 < MikeSeth> QuestionsType 11:06 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-177-137.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #agavi 11:06 < MikeSeth> also I see that it returns an array of QuestionsType, you sure you have the relation set to hasOne and not hasMany? 11:09 < Flukey> $this->hasMany('QuestionnaireQuestionsTypeRecord as QuestionsType', array('local' => 'questionnaire_questions_type_id', 'foreign' => 'id')); 11:09 < Flukey> def hasMany 11:10 < MikeSeth> so how are you asking for a single field when there are many associated objects? 11:13 < Flukey> indeed, but i tried with hasOne and i got the same result. 11:13 < Flukey> This is what the sql returns http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/375647/Picture_2.png.html 11:13 < Flukey> thats what i want to have in the array 11:13 < Flukey> just a straight forward array 11:14 < MikeSeth> well IMO Doctrine cant do that, write a simple wrapper to alter the result 11:15 < Flukey> but that should be basic functionality, should it not? 11:16 < MikeSeth> lemme look into my code 11:16 < Flukey> thanks buddy :) 11:17 < MikeSeth> $q = Doctrine_Query::create()-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> select('h.*, c.code as code, c.player_id, p')-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> from('GuessingGameRoundHistory h')-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> leftJoin('h.Coupon c')-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> leftJoin('c.Player p')-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> where('h.round_id = ?')-> 11:17 < MikeSeth> orderBy('h.ts DESC')->limit($last); 11:17 < MikeSeth> this works 11:19 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 11:20 < Flukey> hhmmmm but thats setup exactly like mine 11:20 < Flukey> :s 11:20 < Flukey> what do you have that i don't.... 11:22 < MikeSeth> t.foo AS foo 11:22 < Flukey> Message 11:22 < Flukey> =========== 11:22 < Flukey> Unknown column foo 11:22 < MikeSeth> well not literally foo lol 11:23 < Flukey> haha 11:23 < MikeSeth> select('h.*, c.code as code, c.player_id, p') 11:23 < Flukey> if i do t.type as type 11:23 < Flukey> it doesn't return type in the array 11:23 < MikeSeth> careful, type may be a reserved keyword 11:23 < Flukey> in the array it makes 'questionnaire_questions_type_id' => null 11:23 < Flukey> if i don't have it in 11:23 < Flukey> then 11:23 < Flukey> it's 11:23 < MikeSeth> check in the database that it isn't 11:24 < Flukey> 'questionnaire_questions_type_id' => string '3' (length=1) 11:24 < Flukey> intriguing 11:24 < Flukey> i quickly need to go to the opticians mike. Will you be on when i get back in about an hour? :) 11:24 < Flukey> i reallllllllly appreciate your help 11:25 < MikeSeth> idk 11:25 < MikeSeth> im going to lunch now 11:26 < Flukey> speak soon 11:26 < Flukey> thank you :) 11:26 < MikeSeth> np :> 12:16 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 12:57 < Macen> meeting :> 12:57 < Macen> baiii 12:57 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 13:00 < marklar|omni> meeeeeeeep~ 13:12 < Flukey> back :) 13:15 < Flukey> damn it. i have a meeting too :-( 13:15 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 13:16 < Whisller> 25 C I love that weather. 13:26 < marklar|omni> hai 13:27 < marklar|omni> some wanadoo.nl faggot tried to hammer a vhost of mine for some reason 13:27 < marklar|omni> iptables++ 13:33 < Flukey> how can you be sure he's a 'faggot'? 13:34 < Flukey> douche. 13:36 < ttj_> If you define faggot as someone from wanadoo.nl who hammers marklar|omni's vhosts, then obviously it was a faggot, then. ::think 13:37 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 13:39 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 13:40 < Flukey> the general definition of faggot isn't 'someone from wanadoo.nl who hammers marklar|omni's vhosts' ::think 13:41 < ttj_> That doesn't mean that one couldn't redefine the term for the scope of this discussion. 13:41 < Flukey> or indeed renowned definition. 13:41 < Flukey> thats absurd 13:41 < Flukey> i'm going to re-define the word fuck as hello 13:42 < Flukey> fuck 13:42 < ttj_> Fuck to you too. 13:43 < Flukey> :P 13:44 < marklar|omni> kek 13:44 < marklar|omni> he's a faggot due to using wanadoo 13:44 < marklar|omni> faggot in the general meaning of the term; anal sex is optional 13:45 < ttj_> Fancy a fag? 13:46 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:47 < marklar|omni> nah, the smelly butts turn me off 13:47 < marklar|omni> :D~ 13:48 < ttj_> Touché. 13:51 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:52 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 13:53 < Flukey> MikeSeth: i still have that problem:( 13:53 < Flukey> And what do you use marklar|omni ? 14:02 < marklar|omni> a provider that does not ignore its abuse@ mailbox 14:02 -!- JamieWolf_ [n=JamieWol@dslb-084-059-109-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #agavi [] 14:37 -!- nfq_ [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 14:38 < _cheerios> marklar|omni: does openbsd work the same when it comes to .ssh/authorized_keys ? plus where are the sshd_config settings located? 14:46 < _cheerios> found settings. now just to find where to restart things on openbsd 14:49 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:54 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:05 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 15:10 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:12 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: yes, /etc/ssh/ and /etc/rc.d/ 15:12 < marklar|omni> respectively 15:14 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-177-137.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [] 15:16 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 15:18 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 15:32 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has quit ["eek"] 15:55 -!- icyt is now known as IcyT 15:57 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [":: www.scopealley.com ::"] 15:59 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 16:16 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@munich.bitxtender.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:19 < E_mE> wooo: http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/input_devices/ocz_prepares_neural_impulse_actuator_for_shipping_next_week/1 16:19 < E_mE> no more mouse =P 16:21 < _cheerios> went to the dentist today. found no holes. yet tooth feels very sensitive to stuff :| suggested http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juurihoito for next time if pain sticks. 16:21 < _cheerios> same in english http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_canal 16:22 < _cheerios> gaah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endodontic_therapy 16:23 < E_mE> eeee root canal fillings 16:24 < E_mE> i had one of those when i was about 11-12 years old 16:24 < E_mE> not fun 16:24 < _cheerios> it sure looks like a whole lot of fuck-you 16:27 < E_mE> i dought you will need a root canal filling if your teeth look fin 16:27 < E_mE> e 16:27 < E_mE> proberbly just sensative teeth 16:30 < E_mE> _cheerios: http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/input_devices/ocz_prepares_neural_impulse_actuator_for_shipping_next_week/1 <-- that whill cheer you up ;) 16:38 < Flukey> Oh i hate doctrine 16:38 < Flukey> i hate it so much 16:39 < _cheerios> Flukey: tell us, tell us! 16:39 < Flukey> once upon a time.... 16:39 < Flukey> :P 16:43 < _cheerios> E_mE: it is a scam? :) 16:44 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:44 < E_mE> _cheerios: dont believe so 16:49 < _cheerios> E_mE: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/input_devices/ocz_neural_impulse_actuator_nia_-_the_log/1 (review) 16:49 < E_mE> bai 16:51 < _cheerios> seems they were all frustrated with the thing as it was so hard to leanr 16:55 < _cheerios> hmm, the bananas are under attack! 16:59 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 16:59 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:05 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has quit [] 17:21 < MikeSeth> IT IS DONE 17:22 < MikeSeth> I am to become Wombert's bit^H^H^Hcontractor 17:23 < sikkle> MikeSeth; great news, bad news ? :) 17:24 < MikeSeth> well 17:24 < MikeSeth> basically i quit my job to work on Agavi full time 17:24 < MikeSeth> awesome news ;> 17:27 < sikkle> MikeSeth; does agavi have enough found to make you happy & 17:27 < sikkle> ? 17:28 < MikeSeth> I'm sure it does 17:28 < sikkle> hehe k 17:29 < sikkle> good news for agavi though 17:29 < sikkle> very very very good news 17:32 < MikeSeth> i hope so 17:32 < sikkle> it is. be confident 17:32 < sikkle> hehe 17:43 < _cheerios> woot? :) 17:43 < MikeSeth> _cheerios: what you heard 17:43 < MikeSeth> ;D 17:44 < _cheerios> nothing, just checked if its april 1st 17:46 -!- nfq_ [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 18:00 < sikkle> MikeSeth; how much memory for standard page loading with agavi & doctrine loaded (average) indeed ? 18:02 < MikeSeth> sikkle: no idea! but I am about to start profiling something heavy and I'll make sure to tell of my findings 18:04 -!- impl [n=impl@atheme/member/impl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:09 -!- impl [n=impl@atheme/member/impl] has joined #agavi 18:16 < sikkle> MikeSeth; thanks. 18:29 -!- saracen [n=saracen@91.84.44.213] has joined #agavi 18:35 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [] 18:36 < marklar|omni> ohai 18:36 < marklar|omni> heh 18:37 < marklar|omni> now all bugs -> maik 18:53 < E_mE[Stilgar]> is there a way i can see what the FPF will attempt to insert into a form? 18:53 < E_mE[Stilgar]> im passing data to the name space but its not appearing in my fields :( 18:54 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [] 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> does this look correct: 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> $this->context->getRequest()->setAttribute( 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> 'populate', 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> new AgaviParameterHolder( array('newtimeslot' => $this->getAttribute('timeslot') ) 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> ), 19:04 < E_mE[Stilgar]> 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter'); 19:11 < v-dogg> depends on what your html form looks like 19:14 < E_mE[Stilgar]> does the form action have to be filled? 19:14 < v-dogg> I'd think so, if you don't specify form id 19:15 < E_mE[Stilgar]> ahhh, clever 19:15 < E_mE[Stilgar]> thank you 19:15 < E_mE[Stilgar]> wish there was some doci's about fpf 19:26 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@ppp-88-217-25-17.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #agavi 19:26 * _cheerios hugs kaos|work_ 19:27 < kaos|work_> hi 19:59 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 20:04 -!- LBO [i=LBO@dmo62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 20:04 < LBO> Huomenta guys 20:05 < LBO> I've got a MVC architure question to You. 20:05 < LBO> Do U use models inside Views? 20:11 < MrJeep> I rarely have 20:11 < marklar|omni> LBO: no need usually 20:13 < LBO> uhum, thanks.... and did U read Mike Seths post about Active Record and his Model understending? 20:14 < _cheerios> but... mike... is crazy 20:15 < LBO> hehe... but do U agree with him? 20:16 < LBO> I partially do, in his understending Model is object with set of highly specialized methods 20:16 < marklar|omni> and? 20:17 < LBO> Model represents some entity and provides tasks (domain logic) 20:17 < LBO> is this correct aproach 20:17 < LBO> if I developed Model only for one task? 20:18 < LBO> In my last project i created Search Model 20:18 < v-dogg> what was that link the other day... 20:18 < LBO> and basicly it has only one task method, everything else are just setters and getters 20:19 < v-dogg> HERE: http://karwin.blogspot.com/2008/05/activerecord-does-not-suck.html 20:19 < LBO> It works for me... but after reading mikes post I'm not so sure anymore :) 20:20 < LBO> v-dogg: I red that, Mike reffered to those articles. 20:20 < LBO> reed* 20:21 < marklar|omni> * read 20:21 < marklar|omni> anyway 20:21 < LBO> : pffff 20:21 < LBO> :P 20:21 < marklar|omni> it depends on your application logic 20:21 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [] 20:21 < marklar|omni> in some cases -- it's proper and prudent 20:21 < marklar|omni> in other cases, it can be done differently 20:22 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 20:22 < _cheerios> listen to the voices inside your head while developing those models 20:23 < marklar|omni> yes 20:23 < marklar|omni> besides 20:23 < marklar|omni> mike knows where you live 20:23 < MikeSeth> I do 20:24 < MikeSeth> :D 20:24 < LBO> _cherios: I did - it works for me.. i have stable model interface which I have to stick in if I will change what is beneatch model (database,service) 20:24 < marklar|omni> as long as it works, can be maintained and free of sars code 20:25 < marklar|omni> why fix it? 20:25 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:26 < LBO> I think U just answered the bothering me question - thanks marklar 20:26 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:26 < marklar|omni> LBO: always remember that people still run phpnuke sites 20:26 < marklar|omni> :< 20:27 < LBO> yeah, crappy :/ 20:27 < LBO> Oh, one more think 20:28 < LBO> does anybody of U have link to FlashMessenger Filter? 20:28 < LBO> (in bookmarks or something:)) 20:29 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 20:51 -!- MrJeep_ [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 21:04 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:13 -!- LBO [i=LBO@dmo62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:13 < MikeSeth> where is wombart 21:14 < sikkle> MikeSeth; prolly left with ur money :) 21:16 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 22:01 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:35 -!- IcyT is now known as icyt 23:04 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@ppp-88-217-25-17.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [] 23:34 -!- impl [n=impl@atheme/member/impl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:34 -!- impl [n=impl@atheme/member/impl] has joined #agavi --- Day changed Tue Jun 03 2008 00:17 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-208-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 00:50 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has joined #agavi 00:50 < erisco> huomenta 00:52 < erisco> coughphp, anyone look at it yet? 01:07 < sikkle> make me thing about qcodo 01:32 < erisco> sikkle, totally heard of that before 01:32 < erisco> gave it a shot but I was a little lost and confused 01:32 < erisco> too much generation for my taste 01:32 < sikkle> for a certain kind of apps, qcodo do a great job 01:33 < sikkle> but it's a god damn pain in the ass to build entire web application with that 01:33 < sikkle> application isnt just grid anymore indeed. 01:34 < erisco> I am still a fan of my forced indirection orm flavour... still working out relations, although I haven't given it much thought yet 01:34 < sikkle> don't like DOCt? 01:35 < erisco> its fine for most things, but was missing things I needed 01:35 < erisco> and what I needed was simplistic enough that I could get by with spending a couple hours throwing something together 01:36 < erisco> but then I began to like the concept... and started to come up with more ideas 01:36 < erisco> *shrug* its something I tinker with in my spare time 01:36 < erisco> gotta have a few of those things ;) 01:36 < erisco> sikkle, you know what is really great that I found? 01:36 < sikkle> nope ? 01:37 < erisco> I was all excited about my new computer, with 3gb of ram and all, so I could finally and efficiently use eclipse 01:37 < erisco> well, I get eclipse installed, go through the hassle of getting PDT to work 01:37 < erisco> but wasn't really impressed overall... I mean the functionality was convenient, like the code folding and inline documentation 01:38 < erisco> before I was just using GEDIT, which does not understand the source code 01:38 < erisco> I was really thrown off by eclipse's huge startup time 01:38 < sikkle> erisco; honestly i flight small, windows i use e-text, mac textmate. 01:38 < erisco> I'm kind of reckless and open and close apps only as I need em 01:38 < erisco> so eclipse just was not the answer for the majority of edits I need to do 01:39 < erisco> plus it seemed cumbersome with its whole "workspace" concept and all 01:39 < sikkle> i can't stand workspace realy 01:39 < sikkle> hehe 01:39 < impl> oh hai 01:39 < erisco> ANYWAYS, got searching and I found a guy who posted with similar findings I had 01:39 < erisco> and he said he found an editor called Geany 01:39 < erisco> I tried it... it rocks 01:40 < sikkle> yep small geany work well realy 01:40 < erisco> super-fast, as fast as gedit, but it supports nearly everything you'd want in a quick ide 01:40 < erisco> code folding, snippets, documentation, etc etc 01:40 < impl> I've been using Geany too recently, actually 01:40 < impl> it has some quirks 01:40 < erisco> I feel much more complete having an IDE by my side I can actually enjoy 01:40 < impl> but cool coincidence anyway :P 01:41 < erisco> impl, I noticed some strange things happen with code folding 01:41 < erisco> definitely had a weird bug happen once or twice... but it hasn't been overly inconvenient 01:41 < erisco> starts up fast again 01:41 < erisco> I've actually had more bugs in eclipse and PDT 01:43 < erisco> impl, do you have a copy of that lexer fholmstrom wrote? 01:44 < erisco> at least I think it was fholmstrom... the one for the abstract sql... TQL he called it 01:44 < erisco> I think I lost my copy 01:44 < impl> I don't think so 01:44 < impl> might still be in the logs though 01:45 < erisco> I tend to lose things in the backup process going from one computer to another 01:45 < erisco> one time I didn't realize the "www" on my desktop was a symlink 01:45 < erisco> that was fun :P 01:46 < erisco> now its an actual directory... to correct that problem 01:47 < impl> haha 01:49 < erisco> luckily most of it was recoverable 01:49 < erisco> lost one application that I had to rebuild 01:49 < erisco> at least it was a simple one 01:50 < erisco> actually one of the things was kind of neat. see I maintain a website that is on an IIS server 01:50 < erisco> it doesn't have PHP installed, so I cannot use include() or anything to get the site consistent 01:50 < erisco> now it does have ASP, (not even .NET), and I did that for a while 01:51 < erisco> the issue was that I cannot run ASP locally because I am on linux (at least I never heard of a way) 01:52 < erisco> so what I ended up doing was changing the asp to php. then I built a script that'd recursively crawl the site and curl the compiled output 01:52 < erisco> thankfully the site is static 01:52 < erisco> which is all fine and dandy,but I had lost the whole setup 01:53 < erisco> so this time I wrote a script to crawl the static site online by recursively checking for page links and reconstructing the dynamic version locally 01:53 < impl> o.O 01:53 < erisco> not overly exhilarating, but I thought it was neat :) 01:54 < erisco> so once again I have my local dynamic php copy and the server receives its static html pages 01:55 < erisco> it was neat because I got to use to programming to solve an out of the normal problem 01:55 < erisco> at least it was for me, anyways ;) 01:56 < erisco> impl, and you know what is even more impressive than my story? 01:57 < erisco> impl, the little time/date/weather taskbar-let actually gives me the correct temperature and conditions 01:58 < erisco> I've never had one of those work before. I was pleasantly surprised when I first took a look and it said there were broken clouds 01:58 < erisco> and it was 13 degrees outside 01:58 < erisco> I was like, phft, as if! 01:58 < erisco> well, I open my window and whoosh! cold air 01:58 < erisco> and I look up? broken clouds! 01:58 < erisco> hell, with that kind of accuracy I won't even need a window anymore 01:59 < erisco> which will ultimately save on heating, which means more money for my computing :) 02:19 < impl> lawl 02:47 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 03:51 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:14 -!- MrJeep_ [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["I Quit!"] 05:20 -!- MugeSo [n=Tanaka_K@220x218x27x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #agavi 05:45 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 06:32 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:02 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 07:09 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-162-218.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #agavi 07:09 < _cheerios> huomenta 07:10 < Whisller> morning 07:11 < E_mE> huomenta! 07:35 < MugeSo> huomenta! 07:40 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 07:42 < _cheerios> q: does zend encoded php stuff work with apc? 07:46 < fholmstrom> Wombert: you here? 07:51 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 07:56 < trophaeum> cheer zended files arent cached or something from memory 07:57 < _cheerios> just that there's no library collisions and that apc can be on while still using zend encoded php stuff 08:07 < MikeSeth> huomenta 08:07 < MikeSeth> sup guise 08:18 < marklar|omni> sup 08:25 < MikeSeth> dongs? 08:28 < marklar|omni> loldongz 08:32 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 08:47 -!- siksdkakd [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 08:48 -!- sikkle [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:50 -!- MugeSo [n=Tanaka_K@220x218x27x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]"] 09:02 -!- digitarald [n=Miranda@62.43.139.214] has joined #agavi 09:09 < marklar|omni> sup maik 09:10 < Wombert> saracen: hi 09:13 < saracen> Hi =/ 09:13 < saracen> How did you know I only just got up =( 09:14 < digitarald> Huomenta! 09:16 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:16 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 09:17 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 09:17 < Flukey> morning chaps 09:18 < saracen> morning 09:18 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:19 < digitarald> anybody uses git here? 09:22 < MikeSeth> I played with it a little 09:22 < MikeSeth> its nice and comfy 09:27 < MikeSeth> o/~ This was a triumph 09:29 < digitarald> I remember that some people here worked on a blog/cms with agavi? Is it already an open development? :) 09:30 < MikeSeth> digitarald: my project is very soon to go public - it's now in working state on an unrelated site, it has to be cleaned up etc 09:31 < digitarald> an unrelated site with an unrelated link? 09:32 < digitarald> I wanted to make my blog open-source, since u use it to teach some people a agavi 09:33 < MikeSeth> digitarald: it isn't public at the moment, we havent finished with it 09:33 < digitarald> since it shows all the basic pattern and does not use a database ... its a simple example 09:33 < MikeSeth> digitarald: but it's Coming Real Soon Now 09:33 < digitarald> B) 09:33 < Wombert> did you get the fpf stuff working saracen 09:35 < Flukey> doctrine has a bug :( 09:35 < Flukey> damn it 09:35 < MikeSeth> it has ZILLIONS 09:35 < MikeSeth> lol 09:36 < digitarald> I tried to use the Search template to make my life easier ... 09:36 < digitarald> ... didn't work to make my life easier but my nights longer 09:36 < digitarald> bugger 09:37 < digitarald> they really focus on the wrong milestones ... they should revamp their code base 09:37 < MikeSeth> they have MILESTONES? 09:37 < MikeSeth> heh 09:38 < digitarald> like ... "hey ... lets try that" ... 09:40 < _cheerios> digitarald: how's moo 1.2 coming along? 09:44 < Flukey> throws up a bug on this $results = $q->from("QuestionnaireQuestionsOptionsRecord o, QuestionnaireQuestionsTypeRecord t") 09:44 < Flukey> ->where("o.questionnaire_questions_type_id = t.id AND o.questionnaire_questions_id = $this->id") 09:44 < Flukey> ->execute(); 09:44 < Flukey> when i know for a fact that the sql is perfect that it produces 09:44 < Flukey> stupid doctrine 09:45 < digitarald> _cheerios: Coming Real Soon Now 09:45 < digitarald> we just moved to git/lighthouse 09:45 < digitarald> since the hoster sucks ... trac was down ... 09:45 < digitarald> maybe not the best server admins 09:46 < Wombert> whats the big deal with lighthouse 09:46 < Wombert> its a proprietary(?) commercial service 09:46 < Wombert> why is everyone using it 09:46 < Flukey> how do i execute raw sql in doctrine? (god help me!) 09:48 < MikeSeth> Flukey: using RawSql 09:48 < MikeSeth> Wombert: dunno wtf lighthouse is but git is full of win 09:48 < Flukey> Doctrine_RawSql? 09:48 < MikeSeth> at least because you get to work on multiple commits at the same time 09:48 < MikeSeth> Flukey: yep 09:49 < Wombert> just like everyone is using github 09:49 < Wombert> I mean wtf 09:50 < Flukey> MikeSeth: thanks 09:51 < digitarald> Wombert: because trac was very unstable and hosting from lighthouse is free for us 09:51 < Wombert> with this open source thing right? 09:51 < Wombert> http://sera.lighthouseapp.com/plans ? 09:51 < digitarald> right 09:51 < Wombert> but just two user accounts there? 09:51 < Wombert> or do you get a free gold account or what 09:51 < digitarald> I was not the one who opened the account 09:52 < digitarald> I think they just asked 09:52 < digitarald> and trac really killed the MT server 09:53 < _cheerios> 80$/mo to store your code. lolwtf 09:56 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-162-218.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [] 10:01 < Wombert> no _cheerios 10:01 < Wombert> to store your tickets 10:01 < Wombert> not the code 10:06 < Flukey> http://pastebin.com/m836cfc2 any ideas guys? :) 10:07 < _cheerios> iirc, rawsql requires you to add {} around the stuff you select 10:07 < _cheerios> beyond that rawsql felt quite broken for anything bar simple queries 10:08 < _cheerios> also, iirc, you need to define the aliases in addComponent 10:09 < Flukey> ah, ok. that worked 10:09 < Flukey> now i get this doctrine problem: 10:09 < Flukey> ( ! ) Notice: Undefined index: parent in /home/jamie/www/bizedge/libs/doctrine/Doctrine/Hydrate.php on line 1190 10:09 < Flukey> damn it 10:10 < _cheerios> don't use rawsql is your solution :) 10:10 < _cheerios> or, doctrine? run! 10:11 < Flukey> what do you use? 10:13 < _cheerios> my own orm, which hasnt passed quality testing yet (and... that might take a long time :)) 10:17 < MikeSeth> Wombert: does shutdown() get called for models? 10:22 < Flukey> fuck sake. even with rawsql, doctrine still meddles with it. damn it :@ 10:22 < Flukey> :'( 10:22 < Flukey> parodn my language 10:25 < Wombert> no MikeSeth 10:26 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has left #agavi [] 10:34 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@ip-87-108-51-178.customer.academica.fi] has quit ["newlappyhereicome"] 10:37 < MikeSeth> doesnt matter 10:39 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 10:49 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 10:50 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@munich.bitxtender.net] has joined #agavi 10:50 < kaos|work_> http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=117 10:50 < kaos|work_> php4 10:50 < kaos|work_> procedural 10:50 < kaos|work_> ahahahaha 10:55 < digitarald> ok ... one more ticket for doctrine 10:58 < E_mE> kaos|work_: the whole of FB is php4? 10:58 < kaos|work_> E_mE: i just had a quick look 10:59 < kaos|work_> class HTTPNoResponseException extends HTTPException { 10:59 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-162-218.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #agavi 10:59 < kaos|work_> was about the only php5 thing i could find 10:59 < E_mE> hehehe.. id never of thought it 11:06 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-208-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 11:15 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 11:16 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:22 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 11:26 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 11:28 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 11:29 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 12:10 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has joined #agavi 12:15 -!- kaos|work_ is now known as kaos|work 12:18 < fholmstrom> hey guys 12:19 < fholmstrom> how do you like this security vuln. I found in the CMS i do maintanc eon 12:19 < fholmstrom> include $_GET['v']."body.inc"; 12:19 < fholmstrom> and url_include is ofc. on :) 12:21 < v-dogg> classic :) 12:21 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 12:24 < _cheerios> gotta love eclipse giving me a jvm error on start. i'll boot... 12:27 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:29 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: autoowned grade a+++ would hax again 12:29 < Flukey> wow. i didn't think facebook would have such crap code 12:30 < MikeSeth> anyone stupid enough to pay $250m for a web site deserves php4 as end product 12:31 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: haha ;D 12:32 < rick111> bottom line is genetlemen, no matter how pretty your code is, it's how the end product looks, I think facebook have done pretty well 12:32 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: autoowned grade a+++ what? o.O 12:35 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: old ebay joke 12:36 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 12:38 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: "received bobcat instead of laptop; very good seller a++++ would buy again" 12:39 < MikeSeth> holy shit wrapping a whole invocation in a database transaction speeds up Doctrine 12:40 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 12:55 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: ;P 12:55 < fholmstrom> never heard that before 13:02 < _cheerios> eclipse started again. seems it corrupted the workspace folder. how nice of eclipse. :| 13:10 -!- shesek` [n=shesek@212.29.214.231] has joined #agavi 13:11 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: http://xkcd.com/325/ 13:16 < fholmstrom> lol 13:16 < fholmstrom> <3 xkcd 13:17 < fholmstrom> http://xkcd.com/327/ 13:17 < fholmstrom> by far the best one ever ;P 13:22 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:25 < MikeSeth> let's help #php get acquainted 13:30 < Flukey> rofl 13:50 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 14:00 * E_mE Rubs his hands like a evil sourcerer! 14:12 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 14:19 < MrJeep> so MikeSeth, how'S your agavi CMS app comming ? 14:20 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: it works. I'm gonna add a couple of features, strip it from the production templates and opensource it 14:21 < MrJeep> nice, is your code somewhere right now ? 14:21 < MikeSeth> not really but it will be soon 14:23 < MrJeep> k cool. Keep me updated 14:23 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 14:23 < MrJeep> I really want to see this code, it's gonna be a good way for me to compare what I have done so far with models 14:24 < MikeSeth> ;> 14:26 < MrJeep> I mean if I'm doing stuff correctly or not... 14:35 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 14:44 -!- siksdkakd is now known as sikkle 14:44 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: I dont think anyone is 14:44 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: its the question of principles, no implementation is 100% correct 14:45 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: for example, passing ORM objects from models to views to templates is wrong 14:45 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: but we do it anyway 14:46 < MrJeep> well, I guess we have to be a little lazy somewhere 14:46 < MrJeep> but still, I asked for some code a long long time ago. I'll finally be able to see something 14:46 -!- keerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 14:47 < shesek`> you do it anyway? why? :\ 14:47 < shesek`> you break the MVC concept :S 14:49 < MikeSeth> shesek`: oh look who showed up! 14:49 < MikeSeth> hello 14:51 < shesek`> hey 14:51 < MikeSeth> welcome to the conspiracy! :> 14:51 -!- _cheerios is now known as Guest50210 14:51 < shesek`> :) 14:52 < shesek`> or you meant the general community by "we" ? 14:52 < shesek`> cause I rememner that you talked about it once 14:52 < MikeSeth> I talk about it all the time 14:52 < MikeSeth> Agavi makes people happy :> 14:53 -!- keerios is now known as _cheerios 14:53 < Flukey> almost makes me as happy as having gordon brown as my PM 9.9 14:53 < shesek`> yeah, my memory kinda sucks 14:53 < MikeSeth> would you rather Blair instead? 14:53 < MikeSeth> hehe 14:53 < shesek`> all that weed is f*ing me up ^_^ 14:53 < Flukey> Absolutely. At least he doesn't talk like a fish 14:54 < MikeSeth> shesek`: same here 14:54 < MikeSeth> Flukey: you should get rid of the damn conservatives 14:54 < MikeSeth> wtf is wrong with UK 14:54 < MrJeep> conservatievs are here in canada too... :( 14:55 < shesek`> wait, you live in israel, or am I confusing you with someone else ? 14:55 < MikeSeth> shesek`: yes, no. :> 14:55 < MikeSeth> MrJeep: your conservatives are way less retarded 14:55 < shesek`> ah. cool 15:00 < Flukey> Err, no. New labour are socialist dictating controlling bastards. 15:00 < Flukey> At least conversvatives take the small government approach 15:00 < Flukey> Labour needs to get ousted. ASAP. 15:01 < Flukey> Tory is the way forward for the UK. 15:01 < Flukey> *tories 15:03 < shesek`> MikeSeth, what do you do for living ? 15:03 < shesek`> (just wondering..) 15:08 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@apn-77-113-162-218.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [] 15:08 < MikeSeth> shesek`: codez 15:08 < MikeSeth> what else 15:20 -!- gingerbob [n=gingerbo@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 15:24 < gingerbob> evening 15:25 < MikeSeth> huomenta! 15:25 < gingerbob> quickie....... 15:26 < gingerbob> I have an attribute set in the Baseview if the site being viewed is from a certain domain 15:26 < gingerbob> that is needed by the executeWrite - how! 15:27 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: have routing set a certain request parameter, have view translate parameter into attribute 15:27 < MikeSeth> or, write a custom filter that sets a container attribute 15:27 < MikeSeth> (I wouldn't, not worth it) 15:28 < gingerbob> how do you get routing to set a param? 15:30 < MikeSeth> make a non-stopping rule 15:30 < E_mE> Flukey: Tories also are nutters who a front man that would hang is own children if it ment he would become leader... 15:30 < MikeSeth> stop="false" 15:30 < E_mE> whose* 15:30 < E_mE> sorry, With* 15:30 < gingerbob> the only things like that are to do with output_types atm 15:31 < gingerbob> so how do you set the rd param? 15:32 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: an interesting question, let's see 15:33 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33 < MikeSeth> 15:33 < MikeSeth> 15:33 < MikeSeth> en 15:33 < MikeSeth> 15:34 < MikeSeth> 15:34 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 15:34 < gingerbob> let me play.... 15:34 < gingerbob> :) 15:34 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 15:35 < E_mE> Flukey: and dont forget Maggie! ;) fucked millions of peoples lifes up! abosulte millions and did do fuck all to help to recover 15:35 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 15:38 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 15:38 < E_mE> MikeSeth: can you cascade parameters by using the stop="false" method? so for example the locale route there will define a parameter wit hthe country code, and then moves off to anther rule? 15:38 < MikeSeth> E_mE: I never tried, but I bet you can ;> 15:38 < E_mE> which im assuming the example above describes 15:39 < MikeSeth> E_mE: and if you can't, fuck that and write a callback 15:39 < MikeSeth> E_mE: re: conservatives.. when we're done with scientology, I wonder what would be the next objective :> 15:39 < MikeSeth> :D 15:40 < Flukey> E_mE: Yes, well at least Maggie cleared most of the debt, now look at the crisis we're in. We owe absurd amounts of money to countries and the IMF. I shall continue this later. need to crack on :P 15:40 < gingerbob> Flukey - focus 15:41 < E_mE> Flukey: blame the world economy for that, not Labour 15:41 < gingerbob> MikeSeth: your example doesnt use the HTTP_HOST though 15:41 < E_mE> MikeSeth: after scientology, can you fight for proponital voting in the UK! so the Conservatives and Labour get a hot poker in there face ;) 15:41 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: so what, match against it instead 15:42 < gingerbob> MikeSeth: so put source in there? 15:42 < MikeSeth> E_mE: NYPA! Your country - you riot in it! :> 15:42 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: yep 15:42 < gingerbob> MikeSeth: and I want it to simply be true or false - what does in pattern? 15:43 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: whether it matches or not 15:43 < E_mE> MikeSeth: its not worth me doing that, im not allowed to vote :( 15:44 < MikeSeth> E_mE: ??? 15:44 < gingerbob> in your example - and the ones I have here - it assigns the var based on the pattern - I want a boolean based on the pattern 15:45 < E_mE> im not english, as a Germany im not allowed to vote for government 15:45 < E_mE> im allowed to vote for councils and stuff but no governments 15:46 < MikeSeth> you're not a citizen? 15:46 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: have the value default to false, and if matches, change it to true 15:46 < E_mE> well, ive not given my oath to the queen no 15:46 < E_mE> and Never will.. 15:47 < shesek`> MikeSeth, got a job? freelancer? 15:47 < MikeSeth> shesek`: you looking for one? 15:47 < shesek`> nope, just wondering.. 15:48 * shesek` just working as a programmer... nothing more 15:48 < MikeSeth> shesek`: I am quiting my current job to join Wombert's company 15:49 < shesek`> Wombert? 15:49 < shesek`> oh, Wombert is a nickname 15:50 < gingerbob> MikeSeth: :( 15:50 < gingerbob> 15:50 < gingerbob> echo $rd->getParameter('is_jlb'); 15:51 < MikeSeth> you can't do is_jlb="true" 15:51 < MikeSeth> 15:51 < MikeSeth> ... 15:51 < MikeSeth> 15:51 -!- saracen [n=saracen@91.84.44.213] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:51 < gingerbob> but what bit sets is_jlb to true? 15:52 -!- saracen [n=saracen@91.84.44.213] has joined #agavi 15:52 < MikeSeth> gingerbob: the bit 15:52 < gingerbob> that sets it to false! 15:52 < gingerbob> ahhhh! 15:52 < gingerbob> I see! 15:52 < gingerbob> ahhh! 15:52 < gingerbob> I see! 15:52 < gingerbob> carry on 15:52 < gingerbob> as you were 15:52 < gingerbob> nothing to see here 15:53 < MikeSeth> . 16:00 < E_mE> bai bai for now 16:00 * MikeSeth & 16:09 -!- siksdkakd [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 16:09 -!- sikkle [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:09 -!- siksdkakd [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:10 -!- sikkle [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 16:14 < marklar|omni> ohai 16:19 < MrJeep> marklar|omni: you're doing a lot of Java right ? 16:20 < marklar|omni> not right now 16:20 < marklar|omni> javascript now 16:20 < marklar|omni> what is it, tho? 16:44 -!- gingerbob [n=gingerbo@80.4.120.163] has quit [] 16:45 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has quit [] 16:47 -!- shesek` [n=shesek@212.29.214.231] has quit [] 16:50 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 16:50 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:50 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 16:53 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [] 16:55 -!- digitarald [n=Miranda@62.43.139.214] has quit ["... is gone ... www.digitarald.de ... but he is coming back!"] 17:01 < marklar|omni> MrJeep? 17:01 < MrJeep> oh sorry 17:01 < MrJeep> well, I wantend your opinion about the speed of java compared to Visual Basic 6 17:01 < MrJeep> if it's faster 17:02 < MrJeep> and how much 17:14 < kaos|work> MrJeep: vb SIX ? 17:14 < kaos|work> vb 6 is probably slower then php :P 17:14 < MrJeep> yeah vb 6 17:14 < MrJeep> hehe 17:15 < kaos|work> the last vb 6 development happened uuh 17:15 < kaos|work> 1998 ? 17:15 < kaos|work> if you really want to use vb at least use vb.net 17:15 < kaos|work> but vb 6 17:15 < kaos|work> uuuh 17:15 < kaos|work> *g* 17:16 < _cheerios> someone converted ror again (nice site tho) http://framework.maintainable.com/ 17:16 < marklar|omni> uhm 17:17 < marklar|omni> MrJeep: are those the only options? 17:17 < marklar|omni> vb.net is probably faster for the most part 17:19 < kaos|work> marklar|omni: vb6 is an interpreted language while vb.net is compiled 17:19 < kaos|work> so i'd say vb.net is in every case faster 17:19 < MrJeep> yeah but I'm on mac 17:19 < marklar|omni> there's probably a crazy edge case where java outperforms it 17:19 < MrJeep> and the program will have to run on linux eventually 17:19 < marklar|omni> MrJeep: so python 17:19 < marklar|omni> +gtk 17:19 < marklar|omni> :D 17:20 < kaos|work> marklar|omni: hm, this depends on the java version 17:20 < kaos|work> java 6 is quite fast ;) 17:20 < marklar|omni> kaos|work: yeah, I know 17:20 < MrJeep> i think however it will be easier to me with Java 17:20 < marklar|omni> 1.6 is nice, 17:20 < marklar|omni> but it's gotten too verbose for me, dunno 17:20 < MrJeep> since I'm closer to java than python 17:20 < marklar|omni> especially after ~2kloc of javascript 17:20 < kaos|work> hehe 17:20 < marklar|omni> MrJeep: what's the program going to do? 17:21 < marklar|omni> I wrote a 100% ajax trading app in pure js 17:21 < MrJeep> simulate stock exchange 17:21 < marklar|omni> ie6 + moz 17:21 < marklar|omni> + opera + safari 17:21 < marklar|omni> 20ms total latency (excl. line lag) 17:21 < marklar|omni> ftw :D 17:21 < E_mE[Stilgar]> marklar|omni: your loving the JS up? 17:21 < marklar|omni> if done properly, it works 17:22 < marklar|omni> funnily enough, it's little and simple stuff that got me confused for a while 17:22 -!- kaos|work [n=dominik@munich.bitxtender.net] has quit [] 17:22 < marklar|omni> like substring(start,stop) not being (start,length) 17:22 < marklar|omni> but after a while, it just works 17:22 < marklar|omni> especially the OO side 17:22 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i quite like how everything in JS is pretty much an object in one form or another 17:22 < marklar|omni> yeah 17:22 < marklar|omni> the implicit type juggling is kinda annoying 17:22 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pretty damn powerful 17:23 < marklar|omni> but I just cast everything to the proper type before I actually act on the data 17:23 < marklar|omni> oddly enough, it all just works and pretty damn fast 17:23 < marklar|omni> plus it's as multiplatform as possible 17:23 -!- Guest50210 [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:23 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i wrote a mastermind game engine in JS 17:23 < marklar|omni> hehe 17:23 < E_mE[Stilgar]> though on respects to how compatible its with IE is another question 17:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> but FF it works well 17:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> all that is required is the programmer write an interface for it, ill give you a copy if you like? 17:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> marklar|omni: have you experimented with closure in JS yet? 17:25 < marklar|omni> a little 17:25 < marklar|omni> can't deploy it live to clients so kinda useless for me for now 17:27 < E_mE[Stilgar]> working with mootools is quite nice :D 17:28 < marklar|omni> jquery for me :< 17:29 < E_mE[Stilgar]> :) 17:29 < E_mE[Stilgar]> bbl 17:29 < marklar|omni> kbye 17:51 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has quit ["bai"] 17:56 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has quit [] 18:01 < _cheerios> is there a better way to kill a directory with lots of files than rm -rf ? this one seems to take forever + creates quite the load 18:06 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-73-211-99.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 18:21 < nfq> hey MikeSeth 18:22 < MikeSeth> oh hai 18:22 < nfq> I am hearing some good stuff about your future! 18:22 < nfq> ;) 18:33 < marklar|omni> ohai 18:37 -!- brasileiro__ [n=fdfdf@201-10-11-119.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #agavi 18:39 -!- icyt is now known as IcyT 18:39 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:05 -!- saracen [n=saracen@91.84.44.213] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:06 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-212-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 19:07 < MikeSeth> nfq: true true 19:09 < MikeSeth> 19:00 i'm trying to use doctrine CLI to dump my data but i keep hitting the memory limit, i increased the limit to 1GB but it still does it. is this a bug or is it just too much data for php? 19:10 < MikeSeth> 19:01 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-212-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #doctrine 19:10 < MikeSeth> 19:04 nm i set it to 4GB and it worked :D 19:10 < MikeSeth> :< 19:10 < _cheerios> lol 19:19 < marklar|omni> ohai 19:19 < marklar|omni> zomg 19:35 < nfq> MikeSeth: glad to hear! 19:36 < MikeSeth> nfq: me too! 19:36 < MikeSeth> nfq: I'm dying for this 19:37 < nfq> Going to be real fun I think! 19:39 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 19:40 < marklar|omni> oh 19:40 < marklar|omni> i hax ur boat 19:46 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has joined #agavi 19:50 < MikeSeth> nfq: it damn better be 19:53 < _cheerios> anyone else use lighttpd + latest php version + apc ? 19:55 < marklar|omni> yes, sans apc 19:55 < marklar|omni> on freebsd 7.0-release upgraded from 6.3 19:55 < marklar|omni> why, what happen~ 19:56 < erisco> lighttpd... any big reason to use it in a dev environment over apache? 19:57 < marklar|omni> I dev on whatever's going to be in prod 19:57 < erisco> always apache in my case 19:57 < marklar|omni> right~ 19:58 < erisco> anyone heard apache pronounced with the pache rhyming with cache? 19:58 < _cheerios> been getting this "too many open files" error lately on new deployments. never run into it before, wondering if php/apc has gained a bug on this matter. 19:58 < marklar|omni> only by frenchmen that also say mysequel 19:58 < erisco> heheh :P 19:58 < marklar|omni> and pronounce database as databuzz 19:58 < erisco> they do too 19:59 < marklar|omni> _cheerios: er, on tehlunix? 19:59 < _cheerios> yep 19:59 < marklar|omni> or bsd? 19:59 < marklar|omni> oh lunixfail 19:59 < marklar|omni> I'd ask you for sysctl and stuff 19:59 < marklar|omni> but lunix is fail by default 19:59 < marklar|omni> so pf 19:59 < _cheerios> it doesnt happen on my current stuff. just on new deployments ive done. 19:59 < marklar|omni> meh 19:59 < _cheerios> which have never versions of php+apc 19:59 < marklar|omni> what's the load? 19:59 < _cheerios> like, nothing at all. 19:59 < marklar|omni> rp/s? 19:59 < marklar|omni> s/\///g 20:00 < marklar|omni> blah tired 20:00 < _cheerios> i have to restart the process every 2hrs, so it doesnt build up enough open files in that time to choke 20:00 < marklar|omni> um 20:00 < erisco> plaster over the hole with a cron job then :P 20:00 < marklar|omni> whats the ulimit 20:01 < _cheerios> its 1024 on a working conifg. i upped it to 36000 on the ones that are failing 20:01 < marklar|omni> hm 20:01 < marklar|omni> wanna gimme a shell? 20:02 < marklar|omni> which kernel 20:02 < _cheerios> 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 #1 SMP 20:02 < marklar|omni> k 20:02 < marklar|omni> gimme shellz 20:33 < E_mE[Stilgar]> suggestions please: which do you think is the better approach for this scenario, ive got a schedule which i've got an action to add new 2 hour time slots into, should i perform error checking for double bookings via a validator or manually check in the action? 20:38 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:41 < E_mE[Stilgar]> nudge _cheerios, ill pick on you for a suggestion.. :) 20:43 < _cheerios> i have no sides on that issue 20:44 < v-dogg> E_mE[Stilgar]: why shouldn't you do it as a normal validation? 20:45 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i think i will go with the action->model approach and have the insert function return a status 20:45 < E_mE[Stilgar]> v-dogg: what do you mean? 20:47 < E_mE[Stilgar]> v-dogg: what do you mean by "normal validation"? 20:47 < _cheerios> xml, validate* 20:47 < v-dogg> I mean do you have a reason not to use validation and wait until the execute* is called? 20:48 < E_mE[Stilgar]> not really, only need to perform a DB query 20:54 < E_mE[Stilgar]> if validation fails, how does it know which view to use? does it use the default one? 20:57 -!- what_ [i=sayonara@enc170.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 20:58 < v-dogg> handleWriteError() { return 'MyErrorView'; } 20:58 < v-dogg> or put logic in there 20:59 < v-dogg> you can ask the validation manager what caused the validation to fail 20:59 < v-dogg> (how to do that, you need to bug Wombs :) 20:59 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i was used validateWrite() { return false; } 21:00 < E_mE[Stilgar]> and perform data checks in that function 21:00 < marklar|omni> return 'ReplaceUserTryAgainView'; 21:00 < E_mE[Stilgar]> but ill put the view name into the handleWrite 21:00 < E_mE[Stilgar]> marklar|omni: thanks :D 21:00 < marklar|omni> np anytime drvthru 21:01 * E_mE[Stilgar] kisses the workings of agavi! 21:02 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has joined #agavi 21:02 < E_mE[Stilgar]> thank you v-dogg :D 21:12 < what_> grrr 21:12 < what_> anyone know how to change output_type in action? 21:12 < what_> without using routing.xml? 21:13 < Wombert> you change it in the view 21:13 < Wombert> not in the action 21:13 < Wombert> it does not belong into the action 21:13 < Wombert> you can use a view's initialize() method 21:13 < Wombert> remember to call parent::initialize() first 21:13 < Wombert> then $this->getContainer()->setOutputType(...); 21:13 < Wombert> why "grrr"? 21:13 < what_> oh thanks 21:14 < impl> wat 21:14 < marklar|omni> wathappen 21:14 < what_> becouse a was searching in agavi sources for a while and i couldnt find anything good for me 21:15 < what_> i tried in action setOutputtype 21:16 < what_> i dont like to ask i prefer to find solutions myself but agavi docs are empty :) 21:16 < what_> and thats way i said "grrr" 21:16 < what_> ;) 21:17 * E_mE[Stilgar] passes what_ a grappa .. chill :) 21:19 -!- brasileiro__ [n=fdfdf@201-10-11-119.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [] 21:22 -!- what_ is now known as _stachu 21:35 < _cheerios> re: lighttpd woes, apc 3.0.18 is bugged. end of story. 21:38 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-73-211-99.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:40 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-73-211-99.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 21:44 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 22:26 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-73-211-99.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 23:07 < erisco> impl, I think I need to explode my idea into more than one class now 23:07 < erisco> impl, although it deviates from the original desire of simplicity, I have ideas... and its fun... so why not :) 23:07 < impl> erisco: Go for it :D 23:09 < erisco> impl, the trouble I have is figuring out what the separation should be 23:09 < erisco> I haven't played with forced indirection before... and one class seems to be able to cleanly deal with things API-wise 23:10 < erisco> but behind the scenes it gets cluttered... yet there isn't any apparent separation need 23:10 < erisco> well look at Doctrine. 1000-2000 line scripts... that is what I am considering cluttered from the standpoint that a hell of a lot of logic is being done in a single file 23:11 < erisco> now that my script is nearing 1000 lines it just feels unwieldy 23:12 < erisco> I seem to get a sense of source files just being too lengthy... just like you get the feeling a line of code is too long and needs to be broken up 23:12 < impl> Yeah 23:13 < impl> you could probably separate out the adapters for the connectivity 23:13 < erisco> I have ideas for things, but one I am still struggling with is a robust relations system 23:13 < erisco> when you gave an example of the cross reference table adding information to the relation 23:14 < erisco> well, that brings up a lot of potentially complex situations 23:14 < erisco> I actually shortly later needed to design a survey that could have (but didn't end up) taking advantage of the cross reference table to do just that 23:15 < erisco> its also a question of how the API ties into the pseudo-sql language 23:15 < impl> aye 23:16 < erisco> one thing that really limits options is the need for efficiency 23:16 < erisco> Doctrine does that through DQL, where you can do joins and whatnot to load many things at the same time 23:17 < impl> Doctrine also caches that 23:17 < impl> (the query) 23:17 < erisco> but the DQL still needs some API to call to even register the fact 23:17 < erisco> impl, yes, thanks to fholmstrom's lexer caching should be easy 23:18 < erisco> if you are talking about the specific translation between the pseudo-sql and the rdbms sql 23:18 < impl> aye 23:19 < erisco> I believe it should also be possible to cache what relationships are already loaded 23:19 < erisco> I believe Doctrine does this, although I am not entirely sure 23:20 < erisco> in most or some cases anyways the relationships could be updated without having to query 23:20 < erisco> until execution destruction of course 23:20 < erisco> I think what I'd want to do is figure out a lazy system 23:21 < erisco> where you may state to load X and Y, but until you actually want to use either of them none of them are queried for 23:21 < erisco> that way you could state you are going to use X and all it's Y's in a one-to-many relationship, say, in separate API calls 23:22 < erisco> then the query is formulated that combines all necessary selection, or a best number of queries to accomplish things 23:22 < erisco> in Doctrine things are loaded as you state you need them, which is why they tell you to use joins in DQL instead 23:23 < erisco> that's all I am essentially theorizing on how to fix 23:23 < impl> how 'separate' are the API calls? 23:24 < erisco> well they'd be too different method calls 23:24 < erisco> I could use some wacky __call voodoo to try and comprehend what should be loaded and whatnot 23:24 < erisco> but that gets ridiculous 23:24 < impl> I think __call is stupid :\ 23:25 < erisco> so I would state something like $model->get(5); then I would state $model->getRelation(5, 'friends'); 23:25 < erisco> say $model was like $userTable or something, and friends was an alias for a one-to-many relationship in a self reference 23:25 < erisco> nothing would be executed until either one of 5's friends was accessed or 5 was accessed 23:26 < erisco> and because I am returning handles this could be possible 23:27 < erisco> $model->getRelation(); would likely be more like loadRelation, because it could not return even an array of handles without querying 23:27 < impl> aye 23:27 < erisco> I could do something like $model->startTransaction(); then do all my getting, then $model->endTransaction(); or whatever 23:27 < erisco> which would also tell the model when I am done specifying everything 23:28 < erisco> I think I could do it more subtly though 23:28 < erisco> ultimate goal is to A) figure out how DQL communicates with the rest of Doctrine 23:29 < erisco> and if I don't like it then plan B is to be able to have a working querying system based on API calls 23:29 < erisco> and then the query language is a nice wrapper over top of it for defining your own getters and whatnot 23:30 < erisco> just like I could make a proxy class to remove the look of forced indirection 23:30 < erisco> $user = new User(5); would simply pass all var lookups and method calls to the $userTable and supply the handle automatically 23:30 < impl> How would one define a getter in that fashion? 23:30 < erisco> now you are back to your traditional API 23:30 < impl> (in the querying) 23:31 < erisco> how do you mean? 23:31 < impl> in the wrapper you talked about 23:31 < erisco> you mean the pseudo-sql? 23:31 < impl> 19:29:28 < erisco> and then the query language is a nice wrapper over top of it for defining your own getters and whatnot 23:31 < impl> yeah 23:32 < erisco> well if you had, say, getLatest10Articles() 23:32 < Wombert> wat 23:32 < Wombert> nonono 23:32 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 23:32 < Wombert> retrieve 23:32 < Wombert> see 23:32 < Wombert> I saw this other orm 23:32 < erisco> you're here to argue Wombert. I need ideas 23:32 < Wombert> CoughPHP? 23:32 < Wombert> theyhave 23:32 < erisco> yeah I saw coughphp 23:32 < Wombert> getLolz_Collection 23:32 < Wombert> such a fail 23:32 < erisco> I mentioned it yesterday 23:32 < Wombert> just cause they also have getters for fields 23:32 < Wombert> I mean wtf 23:32 < Wombert> how hard can it be to have... getName(), but retrieveCategories() 23:32 * Wombert shakes head 23:33 < erisco> oh, I see, geg 23:33 < erisco> heh* 23:33 < Wombert> I mean it's not like an ORM is not allowed to reflect the relational structure 23:33 < erisco> yeah that's a naming issue 23:33 < Wombert> I'd also make this php 5.3+ 23:33 < erisco> good idea actually 23:33 < Wombert> with LSB 23:33 < erisco> as soon as I can find out a shorter word for retrieve 23:34 < Wombert> grab 23:34 < Wombert> load 23:34 < Wombert> find 23:34 < erisco> because I cannot spell it... 23:34 -!- _stachu [i=sayonara@enc170.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:34 < Wombert> fetch 23:34 < erisco> fetch is great 23:34 < Wombert> it is! 23:34 < Wombert> if you need any other help with stuff like this 23:34 < Wombert> I'll be around 23:34 < erisco> :P 23:34 * Wombert puts on his anally-retentive-api-consistency-nazi hat 23:34 < Wombert> actually, imma hit the sack 23:34 < impl> retrieve = eat, send = barf 23:34 < impl> name it like that 23:34 < Wombert> but you could talk tomorrow 23:34 < Wombert> haha 23:35 < Wombert> :> 23:35 < Wombert> -talk+ask 23:35 < Wombert> night 23:35 < erisco> anyways, the concept was that in that fetcher you could use the pseudo-sql language for clarity 23:35 < erisco> over the api calls 23:36 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-212-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 23:37 < erisco> I'll need to look over DQL the best I can to see how it actually communicates with doctrine 23:37 < erisco> it has to call methods of some sort... and if that is the case there must be a working API-query language in Doctrine 23:37 < erisco> even if it was internal 23:38 < erisco> I guess it doesn't have to quite be like that. it could just translate it to sql, get the result, and then dictate what records are hydrated 23:40 < erisco> as much as we agree to dislike Criteria I seem to see some good in it 23:41 < erisco> caching is impractical in that case though, if even possible 23:42 -!- IcyT is now known as icyt 23:42 < erisco> anyways, later all. 23:43 < erisco> huomenta! 23:43 < erisco> or I guess the inverse of that 23:43 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has quit ["Leaving"] --- Day changed Wed Jun 04 2008 00:35 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 00:46 -!- MugeSo [n=Tanaka_K@220x218x27x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #agavi 00:47 < MugeSo> huomenta 01:05 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 01:07 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@modemcable136.46-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 01:08 -!- sikkle [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has 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-!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 06:40 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:40 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 07:06 < marklar|omni> ohai 07:10 < E_mE> huomenta!¬ 07:24 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 07:26 < splatch_> hello :) 07:30 < _cheerios> huomenta 07:38 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 07:39 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:41 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:43 < fholmstrom> I WANT TO FUCKING KILL SOMEONE 07:43 < fholmstrom> HONESTLY 07:43 < fholmstrom> THE FUCKING AGONY OF BEING FORCED TO WORK WITH THIS PIECE OF SHIT 07:44 < v-dogg> more include($_GET[]) ?-) 07:44 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 07:44 < E_mE> hahahha include($_GET) 07:45 < E_mE> that can't honestly be true? 07:45 < fholmstrom> v-dogg: hm not not really 07:45 < fholmstrom> E_mE: yes I found a like yesterday 07:45 < fholmstrom> that was 07:45 < fholmstrom> include $__GET['v']; 07:45 < fholmstrom> eh $_GET ofc. 07:45 < E_mE> :| 07:46 < fholmstrom> but the main problem 07:46 < fholmstrom> I have with this app 07:46 < E_mE> wow, i love scripties ;) 07:46 < fholmstrom> is that it's HUGE 07:46 < fholmstrom> but not only that 07:46 < fholmstrom> it's a HUGE PIECE OF SHIT 07:46 < E_mE> what does it do? 07:46 < fholmstrom> it's a CMS 07:46 < E_mE> or whats the point of it 07:46 < E_mE> oh 07:46 < fholmstrom> that they sell to their customers 07:47 < E_mE> is this for that new company your working for (if my memory serves me correct) 07:47 < fholmstrom> no still the old 07:47 < fholmstrom> not done here yet 07:47 < fholmstrom> the thing about this cms 07:47 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #agavi 07:47 < fholmstrom> is that the guy that did 90% of the work on it 07:47 < fholmstrom> have NO IDEA how to code properly 07:48 < fholmstrom> he was like the bosses friends 20yr old son 07:48 < E_mE> haha, no proffintialism applied to him 07:48 < fholmstrom> nope. 07:48 < E_mE> yeah i know the types 07:48 < fholmstrom> so it's like 250k lines or something of css/js/html/php mixed 07:48 < E_mE> proberbkly his first project he ever wrote 07:48 < fholmstrom> yepp 07:48 < fholmstrom> he doesnt even work as a programer now a days 07:48 < fholmstrom> since he didnt like it 07:48 < fholmstrom> ;< 07:49 < E_mE> Ha! 07:49 < fholmstrom> so yeah 07:49 < fholmstrom> its like 07:49 < fholmstrom> I cant fix things 07:49 < E_mE> is the HTML,JS inline with the PHP? 07:49 < fholmstrom> because I CANT FUCKING FIND THEM 07:49 < fholmstrom> E_mE: yes, EVERYWHERE 07:49 < fholmstrom> i've been trying to track down where he builds the top-navigational bar for like a day now 07:49 < fholmstrom> and I CANT FIND it 07:49 < E_mE> jesus.. that must be eye straining 07:50 < fholmstrom> lemme show you an example, 2 sec ;P 07:50 < E_mE> hehe ok 07:50 < E_mE> why not grep all the files for some assumed static HTML of the top-nav? 07:50 < fholmstrom> because the html is like 07:51 < fholmstrom> pieced together 07:51 < fholmstrom> over like 10 files 07:51 < fholmstrom> in different php functions 07:52 < E_mE> omg 07:52 < E_mE> thats pretty scary 07:52 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 07:53 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #agavi 07:54 < fholmstrom> realized im probably not allowed to show you the code 07:54 < fholmstrom> so yeah ;P 07:54 < fholmstrom> but it sucks 07:54 < fholmstrom> and when you cant fix things because you cant FIND them, then you know the person before you did something horribly wrong 07:55 < _cheerios> no need to see sucky code, tyvm :) 07:56 < fholmstrom> ;P 08:06 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: maybe you should quit your job and become an Agavi contractor :D 08:22 < E_mE> a 5-gigapixel image of the milky way: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/03/207256 08:22 < E_mE> though its not the fully sized one ;) 08:25 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:26 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #agavi 08:32 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: *whistles* 08:32 < fholmstrom> Why would someone do this: float/**/:/**/none; 08:32 < fholmstrom> honestly? 08:32 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: brain damage 08:32 < fholmstrom> I've never seen that before, anyone that got an idea+ ;P 08:32 < fholmstrom> he's done that 08:32 < fholmstrom> ON EVERY CSS ATTRIBUTE 08:32 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: though maybe it's a browser-specific hack 08:33 < fholmstrom> no it's everywhere 08:33 < fholmstrom> on like every attribute 08:33 < MikeSeth> o/~ There are no atheists in the foxholes 08:33 * fholmstrom cries 08:34 < fholmstrom> Yeah I was thinking about the Agavi Contractor thingies btw 08:35 < fholmstrom> seems fun 08:35 < fholmstrom> MikeSeth: u a contractor with/for agavi? 08:37 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: I am going to be! 08:37 < MikeSeth> I quit my day job 08:37 < MikeSeth> these are my last days full time 08:37 < fholmstrom> oh 08:37 < MikeSeth> and its gonna kick ass 08:37 < fholmstrom> so u going to be employed for W. then ? 08:37 < fholmstrom> *by 08:37 < MikeSeth> yeap 08:37 < fholmstrom> cool 08:38 < MikeSeth> fholmstrom: make no mistake, there is great future for Agavi :> 08:43 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:45 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 08:49 < MugeSo> I've found FPF bug, 08:49 * fholmstrom chokes on a piece of html and php intermized. 08:51 < marklar|omni> um heh 08:51 < marklar|omni> hai 08:51 < MikeSeth> MugeSo: hmmmm? 08:51 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: ur boat. 08:51 < marklar|omni> nono 08:51 < marklar|omni> UR boat. 08:51 < MikeSeth> NO U 08:51 < marklar|omni> it is... 08:51 < marklar|omni> haxd~ 08:52 < marklar|omni> HAXDED I TELL YEW 08:52 < fholmstrom> NANO FAG 08:52 < fholmstrom> ;( 08:53 < MugeSo> in my case, XML Declaration　is just before "", there is no space between them. 08:53 < MugeSo> 08:54 < MugeSo> so, http://trac.agavi.org/browser/branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php#L560 is not work. 08:54 -!- Rendez [n=Rendez@180.Red-80-38-116.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [":: www.scopealley.com ::"] 08:54 < v-dogg> MugeSo: not sure but I'd blame libxml 08:55 < MikeSeth> we always do :> 08:55 < MikeSeth> marklar|omni: $25/mo perm. donation to Soma FM y/n? 08:55 < v-dogg> do you tell FPF to parse as html or xml? 08:55 < MugeSo> no, 08:56 < v-dogg> no? which 08:56 < v-dogg> default is xml 08:58 < MugeSo> ok, i' set it. 08:58 < MugeSo> i'll 09:02 < MugeSo> html 09:02 < MugeSo> right? 09:04 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 09:04 < Flukey> morning all 09:04 < Flukey> houmenta even 09:04 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-212-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 09:05 < MugeSo> ok, i've check, and it' parse as html. 09:06 < MugeSo> but, there is xml XML Declaration :( 09:07 < marklar|omni> soma fm? 09:08 -!- Flukey is now known as Flukey_ 09:09 -!- Flukey_ is now known as Flukey 09:09 < MugeSo> libxml is 2.6.26. 09:12 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 09:15 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 09:21 < Wombert> problems MugeSo? 09:21 < MugeSo> yeah 09:22 < _cheerios> libxml... 09:22 < MugeSo> i think so. 09:24 < MugeSo> it' sure that doc->saveHTML() is called, but the out put includes xml declaration. 09:29 -!- _stachu [i=sayonara@enc170.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 09:30 < Wombert> MugeSo: okay, we should look into that 09:30 < Wombert> but its late in japan right? 09:30 -!- _stachu [i=sayonara@enc170.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:31 < MugeSo> humm 09:31 < Wombert> I don't have a lot of time right now 09:31 < Wombert> you're parsing a document in html mode? 09:31 < Wombert> and it has no xml prolog? 09:31 < MugeSo> it's time to home. 09:32 < Wombert> but after FPF processing, there is a prolog? 09:32 < MugeSo> yes, 09:32 < MugeSo> right 09:33 < MugeSo> maybe saveHTML do that :( 09:34 < Wombert> yes 09:34 < Wombert> but 09:34 < Wombert> fpf cleans that up 09:34 < Wombert> look at lines 560+ 09:34 < Wombert> is it a correct xml prolog, or does it have two question marks or something? 09:35 < Wombert> or do you have another filter that works on the document using dom? 09:35 < Wombert> and that inserts the prolog? 09:35 < MugeSo> i found that lines 560+　is not executed in html mode. 09:36 < Wombert> aha 09:36 < Wombert> strange 09:36 < Wombert> do you have cdata_fix off? 09:37 < MugeSo> use default. 09:37 < Wombert> oh wait that is another if branch 09:37 < Wombert> so neither 09:37 < Wombert> if($cfg['remove_auto_xml_prolog'] && !$hasXmlProlog) { 09:37 < Wombert> nor } elseif(!$cfg['parse_xhtml_as_xml']) { 09:37 < Wombert> ? 09:37 < Wombert> that means fpf thinks your document has a prolog 09:38 < Wombert> line 138+ 09:38 < Wombert> what's the result there? 09:38 < Wombert> oh wait 09:38 < Wombert> we add a prolog there 09:39 < Wombert> eh wtf 09:41 < Wombert> hm can't find the cause, MugeSo 09:41 < MikeSeth> oh boy 09:41 < MikeSeth> bork bork bork 09:41 < MikeSeth> ;> 09:44 -!- _stachu [i=sayonara@enc170.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #agavi 09:47 < MugeSo> now i commetout line 143 and prolog gone 09:50 < MugeSo> and, line 556 is in if-statement begining at line 485 09:51 < MugeSo> if it's html mode, line 556 is not executed. 09:51 < MugeSo> so, prolog is not cleaned. 09:52 < MugeSo> i think, 09:53 < MugeSo> I'm sorry, but i should go home. bye. 09:53 -!- MugeSo [n=Tanaka_K@220x218x27x242.ap220.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit 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I assume view, because if in the action, and i hit post on the form it throws up an error. 10:58 < E_mE> Flukey: depends, if you need to generate infromation which is passed to the view then in the action 10:58 < E_mE> but if its information that is always required by the view, then in the view 10:59 < E_mE> so ive got an example where upon the initial displaying of a form 10:59 < E_mE> i pass default values into it by executing ym model in the action which the view checks to see if it exists 10:59 < E_mE> if it does, it populates the form.. else if the action is not fired due to an error 10:59 < Flukey> ah, excellent 10:59 < E_mE> then the view will use the FPF to automatically fill the form with previous values entered by the user/.. understand? 10:59 < Flukey> done it right then :D 11:00 < Flukey> I have a model which retrieves a bunch of questions. the view gets the data. When the user posts the form and there is an error, i still need to display the questions etc. 11:00 < Flukey> Thanks E_mE 11:00 < E_mE> np :) 11:15 -!- digitarald [n=Miranda@142.Red-83-55-79.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #agavi 11:22 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has joined #agavi 11:26 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 11:27 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 11:31 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 11:32 -!- MugeSo [n=MugeSo@FLH9Aab091.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #agavi 11:33 < MugeSo> huomenta 11:33 < Wombert> hai MugeSo 11:33 < Wombert> what you discovered is indeed a bug 11:33 < Wombert> your document is not XHTML right? 11:34 < Wombert> it's an HTML doc? 11:34 < Wombert> and parsed in HTML mode 11:34 < MugeSo> yes, right 11:37 < MugeSo> html 4.01 Transitional document. 11:46 < Wombert> ok 11:51 < Wombert> guise 11:51 < Wombert> http://docs.php.net/manual/en/locale.composelocale.php 11:51 < Wombert> look at this bullsht 11:55 < v-dogg> ehm... :) 11:56 < Wombert> variant0, variant1, ... 11:56 < Wombert> IS HE FUCKING STUPID? 11:56 < Wombert> god 11:56 < Wombert> stas is so annoying 11:56 < Wombert> one of those zend guys that never write a single line of php code 11:56 < Wombert> he is a brilliant implementor, but he can't design things 11:56 < Wombert> IntlDateFormatter, but NumberFormatter 11:57 < Wombert> because DateFormatter collides with date extension 11:57 < Wombert> and he thinks the prefix is ugly 11:57 < Wombert> so no, he won't use the prefix for all classes from the Intl extension 11:57 < Wombert> ... 11:57 < Wombert> and I gave some i18n examples that don't work because the max locale length is 64 characters 11:57 < Wombert> his response: "that is not a frequent case" 11:57 < Wombert> ... 11:58 < Wombert> GRRRRRR 11:58 < Wombert> MugeSo: bugfix coming 11:59 < MugeSo> nice 12:00 < Wombert> MugeSo: try this please http://p.caboo.se/208566 12:00 < Wombert> let me know if it works 12:00 < marklar|omni> ohai 12:08 < CIA-5> david * r2515 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: changelog fix, refs #768 12:08 -!- MugeSo_ [n=MugeSo@FLH9Aab091.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #agavi 12:09 < Wombert> MugeSo_ ! 12:09 < Wombert> [14:00] Wombert: MugeSo: try this please http://p.caboo.se/208566 12:09 < Wombert> [14:00] Wombert: let me know if it works 12:09 < MugeSo_> ok, 12:10 < CIA-5> david * r2516 /trunk/CHANGELOG: merge [2515] 12:10 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 12:18 -!- MugeSo [n=MugeSo@FLH9Aab091.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:21 < MugeSo_> great!!! 12:22 < MugeSo_> prolog has gone!! 12:24 < MugeSo_> thanx Wombert ;) 12:34 < Wombert> cool 12:35 < v-dogg> *sigh* 12:35 < Macen> *groan* 12:35 < CIA-5> david * r2517 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): Fix #771: Form Population Filter incorrectly inserts XML prolog into HTML documents 12:35 < Macen> question 12:35 < v-dogg> jpgraph has issues 12:35 < CIA-5> david * r2518 /trunk/ (CHANGELOG src/filter/AgaviFormPopulationFilter.class.php): merge [2517] 12:35 < Macen> does agavi have a built in PDF output type? 12:35 < Macen> or would i need a custom model? 12:36 < Wombert> !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? 12:36 < v-dogg> heh 12:36 < Wombert> agavi has _no_ built in output types, Macen 12:36 < Macen> so that's a no 12:36 < Macen> ok :) 12:36 < Wombert> a model? 12:36 < Wombert> what for? 12:36 < Wombert> ... 12:36 < Macen> ok 12:37 < Macen> the quote is for a web site that can display a very bespoke services with a wide range of categories .... and they don't have much/any documentation ... so the web site will create it for them 12:37 < Macen> s/a/ 12:37 < Macen> so basically it will print to pdf from it's own .html/.css 12:37 < Macen> it's ok i just didn't want to research something else and then find agavi did it 12:38 < v-dogg> what Wombert implies is this: Output belongs to: (a) Model, (b) View or (c) Controller 12:38 * Macen blank expression 12:39 * Wombert shakes head 12:39 < Wombert> macen 12:39 < Wombert> your action runs 12:39 < Wombert> and then yo 12:39 < Wombert> ur view runs 12:39 < Wombert> and if the output type is html 12:39 < Wombert> then it runs executeHtml() 12:39 < Wombert> and so on 12:39 < Wombert> so you define a pdf output type 12:39 < Wombert> you have executePdf() 12:39 < Macen> i get that 12:39 < Wombert> in there, you generate a pdf 12:39 < Macen> really, i do 12:39 < Wombert> with Zend_Pdf or something 12:39 < Macen> yes 12:39 < Wombert> ah you meant if we have built in pdf generation? 12:39 < Wombert> nah 12:40 < Wombert> on purpose 12:40 < Macen> ok 12:40 < Wombert> there are other solutions that solve this problem already 12:40 < Wombert> so we don't have to reinvent the wheel 12:40 < Macen> fine 12:40 < Wombert> that's the type of clutter we're trying to avoid since it adds so much bloat to frameworks 12:41 < Macen> yeah i take your point 12:41 < Wombert> you'd simply return the generated pdf content from executePdf() 12:41 < Wombert> define an without any layouts 12:41 < Wombert> just the http_headers thing with the correct Content-Type 12:41 < Macen> do things like this "plugin" well? 12:42 < Macen> or should i cost for a bit of hacking.. 12:42 < v-dogg> generating the pdf is not trivial (mostly because pdf libs suck) but co-operating with Agavi is not a problem 12:43 < Macen> i used pdf's a while back 12:43 < Macen> when there was no standard solutions 12:43 < Macen> i remember how much of a pain they were :> 12:43 < v-dogg> basically your executePdf() looks like "$pdf->doThisAndThat($this->getAttribute('foo')); return $pdf->render(); " 12:44 < Macen> i'll check it out 12:44 < Macen> thanks 12:46 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:48 < Macen> just for the record, i wasn't expecting (hoping maybe) agavi to have this function, as long as i know that what i am using *is* the best then i don't mind sourcing other things like this 12:48 < Macen> it's just a pain doing so heh 12:50 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 12:51 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 13:03 < Wombert> LOLOL 13:05 < Macen> ? 13:05 < Wombert> I despise of Zend 13:05 < Wombert> they make me sick 13:06 < Macen> write a blog about it 13:07 < v-dogg> what did they do now? 13:07 < Wombert> ext/intl 13:08 < Wombert> is deliberately ruined 13:08 < Wombert> because 13:08 < Wombert> a) stas, like any zend engineer, cannot design an API or a system 13:08 < Wombert> b) they want it in 5.2 for their fucking ZF and thus have retarded naming 13:08 < v-dogg> Wombert: we really should start some quality assurance movement 13:09 < v-dogg> because the project management of php development is currently just one heck of a mess 13:09 < v-dogg> i.e. there is no management 13:09 < Wombert> http://news.php.net/php.i18n/start/1223 13:09 < Wombert> nobody looks at this list 13:09 < Wombert> stas can do what he wants 13:10 < Wombert> its not discussed in internals 13:13 < MikeSeth> what the world needs is a complete rewrite of the fail that is PHP 13:14 < MikeSeth> or at least community process 13:16 < Macen> MikeSeth: what did you get on the typo test? 13:17 < Macen> You are 2nd out of 2 in your friends! 13:17 < Macen> doh ! 13:17 < Macen> Your typing is faster than 61.9% of all Facebook users! 13:17 < Macen> eh!! 13:17 < Macen> Tests Taken: 8 13:17 < Macen> Top Speed: 64 wpm 13:17 < Macen> Median: 56 wpm 13:17 < Macen> Slowest: 49 wpm 13:17 < Macen> yeh but all with 90%+ accuracy :< 13:17 < MikeSeth> Macen: what? 13:17 < MikeSeth> Wombert: god damn zend 13:18 < Macen> didn't you invite me ? 13:18 < Macen> on facebook 13:18 < MikeSeth> Macen: fuck no 13:18 < MikeSeth> Macen: I havent been on facebook for months 13:18 < Macen> ohohoh 13:18 < Macen> marklar|omni: !! 13:18 < Macen> what did you get??? 13:18 < MikeSeth> I even blocked it on my perimiter firewall so that other people dont go too 13:18 < Macen> !!!! 13:18 < Macen> Mark Rappoport 13:18 < Macen> 107 wpm 13:18 < Macen> WHAT 13:19 < Macen> no wai 13:19 < Macen> hackery clearly 13:19 < MikeSeth> lolwned 13:22 < E_mE> type speed means shit all macen 13:22 < Macen> what did you get? 30 :p 13:22 < Macen> lemme invite youz 13:23 < E_mE> i wouldn't even bother 13:23 < E_mE> no you dare invite me to a fb app and ill shot you ;) 13:23 < Macen> already done :x 13:23 < MikeSeth> close your failbook accounts before you make into nationalwide databases 13:23 < MikeSeth> dumbasses 13:23 < Macen> when they close phorm i'll think about it lol 13:23 < E_mE> my FB doesnt have my real name ;) 13:23 < E_mE> mwhaha 13:24 < E_mE> but my surname is quite unique 13:24 < E_mE> so id be isolated 13:32 < Flukey> Form Populaton filter error: Line 82: Attribute name redefined 13:33 < Flukey> quick fire, any ideas? :) 13:33 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #agavi 13:33 < v-dogg> Attribute name redefined 13:34 < v-dogg> just a guess :) 13:34 < Flukey> which means? 13:34 < Wombert> Flukey: you have a duplicate attribute in your markup 13:34 < Wombert> 13:34 < Flukey> oh ok 13:34 < Flukey> thank you 13:34 < Wombert> Flukey: if you have logging enabled 13:34 < Wombert> then FPF will log these errors for you 13:34 < Wombert> including the markup it processed 13:34 < Wombert> helps you find the line in question 13:34 < Flukey> thanks chaps :) 13:35 < MikeSeth> <3 fpf 13:36 < Flukey> line 73 where though? 13:36 < Flukey> as in the source or? 13:37 < Wombert> 82 it says 13:37 < Wombert> in the document the FPF parsed 13:38 < Wombert> [15:32] Flukey: Form Populaton filter error: Line 82: Attribute name redefined 13:38 < Wombert> that's like 82 in your final html document 13:38 < Flukey> oh i see. thank you :) 13:38 < Flukey> the only thing that could be doing it is a style attribute 13:39 < Flukey> http://pastebin.ca/1038623 13:40 < Flukey> (not nicely formatted. agreed ) 13:42 < v-dogg> 13:42 < v-dogg> name 13:43 < Flukey> haha 13:43 < Flukey> oops 13:43 < Flukey> how embarassing :$ 13:43 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:44 < Flukey> yay 13:44 < Flukey> thank you v-dogg 13:48 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 13:49 < Flukey> interesting "Line 91: Entity 'pound' not defined" 13:49 < Flukey> does this mean i have to define £ somewhere? 13:49 < Flukey> i mean is there an array of entities that form population filter uses? 13:50 < _cheerios> argh how do i disable the speaker in my laptop to get only sounds via headphones :| 13:51 < Wombert> Flukey: why don't you just insert a pound sign directly 13:51 < v-dogg> Flukey: use ʚ (or whateve pound is 13:51 < v-dogg> or insert it directly :) 13:51 < Wombert> with utf-8, you only really have to use html special chars (>, <, & and quotation marks) 13:51 < Wombert> the reason why it complains is because those entities are defined in the (X)HTML DTD 13:51 < Wombert> you have several options 13:51 < Wombert> a) insert the pound sign directly 13:52 < Wombert> b) insert a numeric entity, as v-dogg suggested 13:52 < Wombert> c) use HTML parsing mode (not recommended; DOM/libxml might ruin your markup) 13:52 < Flukey> Excellent .you guys are so helpful :P 13:52 < Flukey> Option A it is 13:52 < Flukey> thankies 13:53 < Wombert> d) tell FPF to tell DOM to resolve the external DTD and use it for parsing (not recommended, since its slow, at least unless your machine has XML catalog caching set up properly) 13:53 < Wombert> Flukey: you'll need  , too. that is not defined in xml, just html. so same problem again. use   for that 13:54 < Flukey> thank you :) 13:54 < Flukey> any plans for the form populaton filter to sort all this stuff out automagically? 13:54 < Flukey> ooooo it works :D 13:54 < Wombert> it can't 13:55 < Wombert> there is no way to do this 13:55 < Flukey> i'm quite impressed 13:55 < Flukey> that would of taken me ages to populate 50fields seperately 13:55 < Flukey> heh 13:55 < _cheerios> macs are taking over the office. white mac, black mac and even an air :< 13:55 < Wombert> :) 13:55 < Flukey> agavi: 1 mortal: 0 13:55 < Wombert> heh Flukey 13:55 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has joined #agavi 13:56 < Flukey> _cheerios: macbook pro's ftw :D 14:02 < E_mE> someone offered me a Powerbook G4 2ghz at work for £500 14:02 < E_mE> i kindly refused 14:04 < Wombert> E_mE: there is no such thing 14:04 < Wombert> 1.67GHz is the fastest 14:04 < Wombert> and... don't buy one 14:04 < Wombert> I like mine 14:04 < Wombert> except for the speed 14:04 < Wombert> the G4 is just unacceptably slow 14:05 < E_mE> eyah that what i thought 14:05 < E_mE> and the fact it was £500 was bit pricy 14:06 < E_mE> the laptop is looking at me and winking... :( 14:12 < E_mE> yet another reason to leave the UK: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/04/government_database_volunteers/ 14:14 -!- rick111_afk [n=BigRyan@ryanpartington.com] has quit ["laters"] 14:15 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 14:17 -!- rick111 [n=BigRyan@ryanpartington.com] has joined #Agavi 14:18 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 14:20 -!- sikkle [n=sikk@bas4-montreal02-1096720986.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #agavi 14:24 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 14:51 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has joined #agavi 14:51 -!- MugeSo_ [n=MugeSo@FLH9Aab091.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]"] 14:51 -!- _cheerios [n=jussiava@ip-87-108-51-180.customer.academica.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 15:04 < digitarald> choose your CMS wisely! 15:04 < digitarald> http://www.silverstripe.com/careers/successfullyinstalled 15:15 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:15 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 15:16 < _cheerios> hmm... shrimp macdonalds 15:18 < _cheerios> quite good! 15:21 < _cheerios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7KFZ2iLHkI good finnish tune, right v-dogg! \o/ 15:33 < Flukey> thats quite a nice cms system 15:37 < digitarald> ... http://www.silverstripe.com/?debug_profile=true 15:37 < digitarald> maybe a bit too much debug code for a production environment 15:39 < trophaeum> that feels very much like an apd output? 15:40 -!- eremit [n=martin@p5B237967.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #agavi 15:43 -!- Macen [n=leopard@host86-154-107-27.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [" E_mE: logarithms aren't hard, they're just inverse exponents"] 15:45 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 15:48 < Flukey> hello again folks 15:49 < Flukey> on my doctrine record, i have preSave, can i access the session user id? 15:49 < Wombert> if your doctrine record knows the agavi context, yes 15:49 < Flukey> i.e. public function preSave($event){ $this->user_id = $rdSessionblahblah } 15:49 < Flukey> if it does, what would it be? 15:49 < Wombert> you should be able to access it through the connection 15:49 < Wombert> or the manager 15:51 < Flukey> ok, so how would i access it through the connection? 15:51 -!- icyt is now known as IcyT 15:51 < Flukey> (sorry, haven' touched the user sessions stuff yet) 15:52 < Wombert> I just realized that you can't 15:52 < Wombert> doctrine does not allow setting of arbitrary values on the manager/connection 15:52 < Flukey> yay. we've learnt something new :P 15:52 < Wombert> that's why we cannot set the agavi context 15:52 < Flukey> ok 15:52 < Flukey> i'll have to do it from the executeWrite then 15:52 < Flukey> damn 15:54 * E_mE Demands taht someone gives him there Macbook Pro! 15:54 < E_mE> ;) 15:54 < Flukey> E_mE: You can have mine seeing as i'm about to chuck it out of the window :P 15:55 < E_mE> if im under the window can i have it? 15:55 < Wombert> finders keepers! 15:57 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:58 < Flukey> absolutely 15:58 < Flukey> heh 15:58 -!- rick111_afk is now known as rick111 16:01 < sikkle> E_mE; i just received my 17". 16:02 < E_mE> sikkle: throws toys out of pram! :: humpf :: 16:03 < E_mE> within 6months i shall have either and iMac or Macbook Pro! You watch ... you watch ;) 16:03 < sikkle> E_mE; sexxxy huge.. but realy it's a pain, 4k for a god damn laptop, crazy crazy stupid :) 16:04 < E_mE> :| 4k 16:04 < E_mE> thats truely insane 16:04 -!- rick111 is now known as rick111_afk 16:04 < sikkle> E_mE; hehe but usually one decent client feel the big apple and will cover this charge easy hehe 16:05 < sikkle> E_mE; look like a pro even if ur naked man. 16:05 < sikkle> 4k. 16:05 < sikkle> this should be the apple TM. 16:06 < E_mE> well, i think id prefer you in a 15" macbook ... i cant accept 17 inches! ho ho ho ho ;) 16:06 < digitarald> the 4k are a good reason to invest half the money in a fast "normal" notebook 16:07 < digitarald> but thats just me I think 16:07 < sikkle> E_mE; gimme one night with 17" you'll never go back :) 16:07 < sikkle> digitarald; yep, i have that already indeed. 16:07 -!- Gibbed [i=rick@pool-71-189-11-16.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #agavi 16:07 < sikkle> digitarald; but who care, i can watch tv on 21" too hehe 16:08 -!- Rick [i=rick@unaffiliated/rick] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:08 -!- Gibbed is now known as Rick 16:08 < sikkle> digitarald; it's same to anything you buy, car, phone, girlfriend :) 16:08 < sikkle> what matter VERY much is how that hurt E_mE :) 16:09 < digitarald> I have a smartphone, no iPhone ... also for half the money :D 16:09 < digitarald> so, you are right 16:09 < digitarald> but my girlfriend marries me ... for nothing ... not sure how to top that :D 16:10 * E_mE slaps sikkle... feel that mofo ;) 16:13 < nfq> digitarald: dude, you are missing something huge 16:13 < nfq> the iPhone is amazing! 16:13 < nfq> but of course I think that 16:15 < digitarald> I know some owners .. loosing their enthusiasm after 2 months 16:15 < sikkle> digitarald; marries me... for nothing.... and you talk about macbookpro price ? shhhhh :) 16:16 < sikkle> i think we can easyly make the link between, marries me.. AND half the money :P 16:16 < digitarald> some things are priceless ;) 16:17 < sikkle> need to lunch see ya :) 16:17 -!- eremit_ [n=martin@p5B2363E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #agavi 16:17 -!- eremit [n=martin@p5B237967.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:18 < nfq> digitarald: you teasing? I can't believe that enthusiasm dies after 2months 16:18 < nfq> friends must be weird 16:18 < nfq> :D 16:18 < nfq> Wombert: ping 16:19 < Flukey> how do i find out a users id from the sesson? 16:20 < E_mE> Flukey: what use ID? 16:20 < E_mE> user* 16:22 < sikkle> digitarald; but i agree about the iphone though, i feel it's like a funny boy with tiny.... 16:22 < sikkle> digitarald; but i'm not enjoy much working or play too much with my cellphone hehe 16:23 < Flukey> done it :D 16:23 < Flukey> $user = $this->context->getUser(); 16:23 < Flukey> :) 16:35 < Flukey> caio folks 16:35 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has quit [] 16:35 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 16:35 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has quit [Client Quit] 16:36 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has joined #agavi 16:36 -!- Flukey [n=jhall@80.4.120.163] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46 -!- sikkle [n=sikk@bas4-montreal02-1096720986.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:48 -!- Whisller [n=Whisller@chello089077183241.chello.pl] has joined #agavi 16:48 < Whisller> evening 16:53 -!- IcyT is now known as icyt 17:13 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 17:29 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 17:40 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has joined #agavi 17:44 -!- kaos|work_ [n=dominik@ppp-88-217-26-77.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #agavi 17:51 < marklar|omni> ohai 17:57 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 17:59 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #agavi 18:22 < _cheerios> MSG4 out!? my source of console gaming addiction. :| 9.9/10 on IGN. damn them for saying it's good :( 18:23 -!- icyt is now known as IcyT 18:27 < ttj_> _cheerios: You mean MGS4? 18:27 < _cheerios> yes, indeed, Metal Gear Solid 18:27 < ttj_> I know the feeling. Had to buy a PS3 because of GTA 4. 18:29 < marklar|omni> zomg. 18:29 < marklar|omni> want. 18:29 < saracen> What platforms is MGS4 out on? 18:29 < _cheerios> 450e for PS3, 64e for the game x_X 18:30 < saracen> Also, am i correct in thinking MGS3 came out for the game cube? 18:30 < ttj_> _cheerios: Well, I got the console for 400e and a couple of games with that. And after I get tired of it, I can just sell it along and recover, oh, 75% of the tied capital? 18:31 < _cheerios> i was just looking at my msn list to see if someone wants to lend their ps3 for a while :p 18:36 -!- digitarald [n=Miranda@142.Red-83-55-79.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["I'll come back ... digitarald.de"] 18:51 -!- splatch_ [n=splatch@code-house.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:53 -!- sikkle [i=sikkle@modemcable089.215-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #agavi 18:54 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 18:54 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 18:55 * E_mE[Stilgar] ponders! 18:55 -!- Hamerr [n=stock@87.246.12.46] has joined #agavi 18:55 < Hamerr> huomenta 18:57 < ttj_> _cheerios: Damnit, you should've said that earlier. I'm on sick leave and out of town for ~5 weeks and I could've lent you the PS3 for that time. 18:59 < _cheerios> is that called pouring the salt in, after not jumping on the ps3 offer? :) 19:00 < ttj_> :P 19:09 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 19:24 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 19:26 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 19:26 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 19:37 -!- nfq [n=nfq@ip-213-189-154-197.fix.magnet.ch] has quit [] 19:38 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 19:38 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 19:51 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 19:51 -!- Arme[0] is now known as Arme[N] 20:00 -!- liutis [n=codecop@78-61-197-230.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:05 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@lbcomm-gx.abacom.com] has joined #agavi 20:07 -!- Arme[N] is now known as Arme[0] 20:07 -!- pookey [n=pookey@emo.two-pebbles.com] has joined #agavi 20:08 < pookey> E_mE: MOO 20:08 < pookey> E_mE: I hae aubergine and courgette to use up, help! ;) 20:09 < pookey> I'm thinking that's pretty mcuh asking for a pasta dish.... 20:14 < pookey> well, he's no good is he ! :P 20:16 < pookey> http://vegbox-recipes.co.uk/recipes/courgette-recipe-2.php ahh. perfect 20:19 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@munich.bitxtender.net] has quit ["bai"] 20:37 < _cheerios> why do the patches for php5 have to be different w/debian & ubuntu. gah. 20:57 -!- MrJeep [n=MrJeep@lbcomm-gx.abacom.com] has left #agavi [] 21:06 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pookey: opps sorry 21:07 < pookey> it's too late now young man, i've cooked! 21:07 < E_mE[Stilgar]> sorry :) 21:08 < pookey> that vegbox-recipes.co.uk site is good... especially as we get a vegbox :) 21:08 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i was just looking up for half a pig 21:08 < E_mE[Stilgar]> hehe 21:09 < pookey> I gave away all my plants today E_mE[Stilgar] :( 21:09 -!- erisco [n=erisco@brisco.kent.net] has joined #agavi 21:09 < erisco> join ##php 21:09 < E_mE[Stilgar]> :( you finally moving? 21:09 < pookey> I put an post on freecycle, had someone come pick them all up :/ 21:09 < pookey> yep, 2.6 weeks 21:09 < E_mE[Stilgar]> found a new place yet? 21:09 < erisco> I meant that with a slash... this isn't propaganda 21:09 < pookey> maybe! 21:09 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: justien is in ipswich looking today/yesterday, she's foind a really nice place 21:10 < E_mE[Stilgar]> garden? 21:10 * pookey finds link 21:10 < pookey> however... oen she is looking at tomorrow has a catflap! 21:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> hmpf! if you find a property that allows pets i shall be very upset! 21:11 < E_mE[Stilgar]> hardly anywhere in Cornwall allows pets 21:11 < pookey> http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-21599075.rsp?pa_n=2&tr_t=rent tat's the current favorate.. and it's furnished/unfernished.... and considering their table and sofa is far better then ours, I think I'll just sell ours and keep thiers :) 21:11 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: we've found lots it seems! 21:12 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: maybe people in suffolk are more cat accomidating :) 21:12 < pookey> accomodating? that looks wrong too 21:14 < E_mE[Stilgar]> that house looks wicked, im only paying £20 less a month for a ground floor flat 21:14 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pah! 21:14 -!- E_mE [n=jeramy@mail.spiritusgroup.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:14 < E_mE[Stilgar]> doh! server at work has gone down AGAIN! 21:14 -!- E_mE [n=jeramy@mail.spiritusgroup.com] has joined #agavi 21:14 < E_mE[Stilgar]> spoke to soon :) 21:15 < pookey> I think the hosting market has changd a little in the last few months 21:15 < pookey> ermm.... renting I mean 21:15 < E_mE[Stilgar]> its got a nice garden too, though not much space for planting out 21:15 < E_mE[Stilgar]> what do you mean? 21:15 < pookey> I think I'm kinda sold on the idae of container planting now anyway... maybe - and.. I think there's plenty of allotments in ipswich... 21:16 < pookey> I mean, becuase house prices are dropping, some people are putting their houses out to rent rather htn to sell, lowering prices 21:16 < pookey> 21:16 < E_mE[Stilgar]> very good point 21:16 < E_mE[Stilgar]> plus Falmouth is not cheap place to live either 21:17 < pookey> student town and being a common retirement place I imagine? 21:17 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i think the retirement is falling and the students and young people are flooding cornwall 21:18 < E_mE[Stilgar]> not that i can talk hehe 21:18 -!- nfq [n=nfq@84-72-196-166.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #agavi 21:18 < pookey> I might apply for an allotment.... 21:18 < E_mE[Stilgar]> you going to attempt hydroponic pot plants? 21:18 < pookey> I'm not sure if i'll actaully keep it up though... 21:18 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: I'm undecided :) 21:18 < E_mE[Stilgar]> thats what ive found the problem with allotments, need to travel to them 21:19 < E_mE[Stilgar]> and to keep them up and happy is fair amount of effort 21:19 -!- saracen [n=saracen@cpc2-pete5-0-0-cust624.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pookey: you been to Eden recently? 21:19 < pookey> nope, never have 21:20 < E_mE[Stilgar]> they have a few examples of zero energy hydroponic systems 21:20 < E_mE[Stilgar]> based on gravity or black plastic to generate moisture 21:20 < pookey> zero energy? how do the pumps work? 21:20 < pookey> hmmm... thats interesting! 21:20 < pookey> oh ffs, ipswich.gov.uk is dead 21:20 < pookey> thats the first time I've ever wanted to go there too 21:21 < E_mE[Stilgar]> they showed an example of growing plants in a soiless medium such as a old cloth rags etc, was saying its perfect for disaster ridden areas 21:21 < E_mE[Stilgar]> because they can pretty much use any substance 21:21 < impl> it should be called ipswitch 21:22 < impl> :< 21:22 < pookey> impl: they did try to sell teh city as 'IP City', as it's postcode is 'IP' however.... the companies never really turned up 21:22 < pookey> HP build a large office, but then when they merged with Compaq, it went unused... 21:22 < impl> ah :( 21:22 < E_mE[Stilgar]> evening impl, i understand you will be in london in aug, i shall have the pleasure of meeting you 21:23 < pookey> the local council would subsidie tech companies too... so you're not the first person with the idea I'm afraid :) 21:23 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: I migth be there too 21:23 < E_mE[Stilgar]> ahh nice :D morrreeee 21:23 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: you any idea how much tey cost a month? 21:23 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: so I heard :D 21:24 < pookey> I'm going to come wearing a Symfony t-shirt! :) 21:24 < pookey> actaully, I don't own one, and have no intention of buying one, so I won't :) 21:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pookey: what cost? 21:24 < pookey> allotments 21:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> it varies i think 21:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> but if you get 6 people together you can request the local council to get you some land 21:24 < E_mE[Stilgar]> and can be as little as £10/mth 21:25 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i will get a t-shirt with optimus prime on the front with his fuck off big gun censored 21:25 < pookey> I could get a 'I was heckled by a crazy guy' t-shirt printed..... 21:26 < E_mE[Stilgar]> if you heard about the guy who was refused passed the security because there was a Tou gun drawn on his shirt 21:26 < pookey> infact, that's seriously tempting ;) 21:26 < E_mE[Stilgar]> hhahahah 21:27 < pookey> no, i didn't hear about that 21:27 < E_mE[Stilgar]> ill link you, one sec 21:27 < E_mE[Stilgar]> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/03/transformers_bust/ 21:29 -!- Wombert [n=Wombert@dslb-088-064-049-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #agavi 21:30 < E_mE[Stilgar]> i mean the article was raised by the sun newspaper, so who knows what the truth is 21:30 < E_mE[Stilgar]> impl: when are you going to ze nazi land? 21:31 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: I don't get it.....I can't even begin to understand how you could stop someone for that t-shirt 21:31 < E_mE[Stilgar]> opps pookey i linked you to a lego man scetch hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/02/transformers_t_shirt/ 21:31 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: I figured it out :) 21:31 < E_mE[Stilgar]> me neither 21:31 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: about two weeks from now 21:31 < pookey> well, dinner was edible, but... not wonderfully fantastic 21:31 < pookey> thank god I put extra cheese on top! :) 21:31 < impl> E_mE[Stilgar]: what's the name of the toy that they modeled that image out of, do you know? 21:31 < pookey> optimus prime 21:32 < impl> no, like the people 21:32 < pookey> transformers? 21:32 < impl> no, lol, hold on 21:32 < impl> I used to have some that looked like it 21:32 < Wombert> lawl 21:32 < Wombert> btw 21:32 < Wombert> speaking of transformers 21:32 < Wombert> a dude 21:32 < Wombert> in a megatron tshirt 21:32 < Wombert> wasnt allowed to board a plane the other day at heathrow airport 21:32 < Wombert> too offensive 21:32 < Wombert> stupid brits 21:33 < pookey> Wombert: scroll up about 5 more lines then you did :P 21:33 < Wombert> YOU HEAR ME pookey 21:33 < impl> Wombert: that's just what we're talking about hehe 21:33 < Wombert> oh 21:33 < Wombert> lawl 21:33 < impl> and 21:33 < Wombert> ah 21:33 < impl> this is the toy: http://store.playmobilusa.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-US-Site 21:33 < Wombert> hey I joined after you talked bout it 21:33 < Wombert> zomg sorry 21:33 < Wombert> :> 21:33 < pookey> Wombert: GOOD! violent t-shirts are the beginning of a slppery slope! 21:33 < pookey> first t-shrits, then bombs on the underground 21:34 * Wombert chuckles 21:34 < Wombert> man pookey, sometimes its hard to judge whether you're serious or not :> 21:34 < pookey> Wombert: it's always best to assume I'm not :) 21:34 < Wombert> didn't you like these CCTV cams 21:35 < E_mE[Stilgar]> someone commented on the register that htey went through security at heathrow, and the guards would allow him to take a little laptop bag padlock with him because, as quote "It could be used to tie someone up".... the stupid thing was that you could buy another padlock in the dixon past the security gate! hahaha 21:35 < E_mE[Stilgar]> idiots 21:35 < Wombert> filming the bastard that stole your bike 21:35 < pookey> Wombert: well yes, that is true :) then they should haev sent me the footage so I could go reap vengence 21:36 < pookey> if noly ther was a camera... there'd be a kid in a coma... rather then on the streets planning bomb attacks against our wonderful country 21:36 < pookey> i'd have done my part! 21:36 < pookey> E_mE[Stilgar]: the bombs are getting closer to cornwall youknow... exeter was last! 21:37 < Wombert> haha 21:38 < impl> can you grow corn along a wall? 21:38 < impl> I thought it needs full sun 21:39 < pookey> make the wall from mirrors 21:39 < impl> oh, brilliant! :< 21:39 < pookey> it's lucky one of us is a klevor man 21:39 < impl> does Cornwall feature one of these? 21:39 < pookey> yes, it's called The Fictional Wall of Cornwall 21:40 < impl> :( 21:40 < pookey> built by the ompaloompa in 1924 AC/DC 21:40 < Wombert> ahaha 21:40 < Wombert> :> 21:40 < Wombert> [23:38] impl: can you grow corn along a wall? 21:40 < Wombert> [23:38] impl: I thought it needs full sun 21:40 < Wombert> you know 21:41 < Wombert> since you are american 21:41 < Wombert> I gotta say 21:41 < Wombert> kudos for knowing that corn doesn't come from a factory 21:41 < Wombert> harhar 21:41 < pookey> haahaa: D 21:41 < impl> hey! 21:41 < Wombert> YOU REALLY THINK THATS WHY ITS CALLED "CORNWALL" DO YOU? :>>> 21:41 * Wombert hugs impl 21:41 < impl> I'm going to compile a list of silly place names in Britain and bring it with me 21:41 < impl> then we'll see who's klevor 21:42 < pookey> Fingering Hoe is a great one 21:42 < pookey> sorry, there's no space, it's jsut fingeringhoe ... I really wish I was joking 21:42 < impl> haha 21:42 < impl> excellent. 21:43 < pookey> impl: Brown Willy... in Cornwall.. 21:44 < impl> Is that the name of a neighborhood? 21:47 -!- _cheerios [n=goodrobo@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe74fb00-140.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:51 < pookey> no, it's a hill or something 21:51 < impl> haha.. a hill. 21:51 < impl> :D 21:52 < pookey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Willy 21:52 < impl> quite the impressive stub you've got there! 21:52 < pookey> the highest point in cornwall 21:52 < pookey> it's the most exciting thing in cornwall too ;) 21:52 * pookey sniggers 21:52 < impl> lool 21:52 < Wombert> lawl 21:52 < Wombert> :>>>> 21:53 < Wombert> "the cornish live there. friendly, but backwards" 21:55 < impl> wtf 21:55 < impl> ===> ImageMagick-nox11-6.4.1.3_1 SVG support requires X