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00:02 < erisco> Wombert, that is the initial line I was looking at
00:02 < erisco> Wombert, in the export method, yup
00:02 < erisco> Wombert, I forgot to mention that that was probably the line that wasn't working how intended... or another statement or two was needed
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05:24 < v-dogg> huomenta
05:52 < E_mE[Stilgar]> huomenta
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08:26 < MikeSeth> huo..menta?
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09:25 < E_mE> can anyone recommend a good PHP Caching module?
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09:46 < trophaeum> E_mE, zend framework's cache isnt bad, its not as fast as id like for a caching layer but *shrug* or do you mean opcode cache?
09:47 < MikeSeth> I think it's often easier to write a module that fits you perfectly
09:47 < E_mE> yes opcode cache trophaeum :)
09:47 < MikeSeth> ahhh
09:47 < MikeSeth> opcode cache
09:47 < MikeSeth> there's a buttload of them
09:47 < E_mE> ive got my own caching of XML files already :)
09:47 < E_mE> and we have smarty which does some caching too
09:48 < E_mE> im just reading APC atm
09:48 < MikeSeth> im telling you E_mE 
09:49 < MikeSeth> you will end up with a custom Agavi implementation ;>
09:49 < E_mE> tell me about it :/
09:49 < E_mE> its the documentation thats causing problems... 
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09:58 < _cheerios> huomenta
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10:35 < Wombert> hugs v-dogg and _cheerios 
10:35 < Wombert> happy vappu!
10:37  * _cheerios shares a bottle of champagne with Wombert, cheers for maniacally hard workers! \o/
10:38 < Wombert> aren't you supposed to drink this stuff with raisins inside 
10:40 < _cheerios> the drink called sima? yes.
10:43 < _cheerios> if they're stuck at the bottom of the bottle, might not get any. plus the stuff at stores might not have any.
11:03 < Wombert> tippaleipä looks tasty
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11:30 < _cheerios> i have no sima (loved it yesterday) or tippaleipä. only peppersteaks w/potatoes and either vodka/red wine/beer.
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13:24 < E_mE> has anyone here use eAccelerator before?
13:24 < E_mE> used*
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13:43 < trophaeum> E_mE, yea, i used to use it centuries ago, i get better results with xcache these days
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13:54 < MrJeep> good morning 
13:54 < MrJeep> oh, my navigation filter works :D
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14:08 < marklar|omni> hai
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14:58 < E_mE> trophaeum: you there?
14:58 < trophaeum> E_mE, yo sup dude
15:03 < E_mE> my eAccelerator has not incrased my execution time what so ever
15:03 < E_mE> might there be a reason for this?
15:04 < marklar|omni> got my blackberry
15:04 < marklar|omni> ;d
15:07 < E_mE> nice... you working from it?
15:09 < marklar|omni> not atm
15:10 < marklar|omni> its charging and syncing or whatever
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15:11 < trophaeum> E_mE, sorry, distracted, not increased? you mean not decreased?
15:12 < E_mE> yes sorry
15:12 < E_mE> im thinkign on increasing performance heh
15:12 < trophaeum> if you want to increase performance, mod_deflate in apache2 and xcache are the best 2 options
15:13 < E_mE> mod_deflate.. not heard of that one
15:13 < Fou4th> is there exists any good and complex example of using agavi? May be some OSS project or anything else.
15:13 < E_mE> ill test out xcache and mod_Deflat, see how i  go.. cheers
15:13 < trophaeum> E_mE, mod_deflate is apache2 only and it comes with it
15:13 < trophaeum> if u want a good config for it just let me know and ill pastebin it
15:14 < E_mE> ah please :)
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17:01 < E_mE> bai
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17:03 < Rendez> huomenta
17:03 < Rendez> I just installed agavi through PEAR, I use MAMP but can't find those files
17:03 < Rendez> I'm a little newbie, please help the newbie
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17:36 < impl> mm
17:36 < impl> what do you mean "can't find"?
17:39 < sikkle> impl; he prolly talk about where pear put his own files
17:40 < sikkle> : /mamp/php/pear/long/directoryfile/framwork/no-sense/agavi.
17:42 < _cheerios> pear config-show
17:42 < Macen> MiiiiiiikkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSeeetthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:48 < sikkle> we feel the love here
17:53 < Macen> that's not love you're feeling
17:53 < Macen> but that's for another time
17:53 < Macen> baiii all
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18:10 < Rendez> Nop
18:10 < Rendez> The log shows some errors
18:10 < Rendez> But in the console all was right
18:15 < Rendez> [09-Apr-2008 18:43:01] PHP Fatal error:  require() [<a href='function.require'>function.require</a>]: Failed opening required '../agavi/libs/agavi/agavi.php' (include_path='.:/Applications/MAMP/bin/php5/lib/php') in /Applications/MAMP/htdocs/kultkino.dev/dev/index.php on line 6
18:15 < Rendez> [01-May-2008 18:58:30] PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 2113 bytes) in /Applications/MAMP/bin/php5/lib/php/PEAR/XMLParser.php on line 258
18:15 < Rendez> Ahh, none of this
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19:42 < Rendez_> Guys, I got the agavi installation correct with sudo even but agavi isn't anywhere
19:42 < Rendez_> Any idea?
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19:53 < _cheerios> grep -r agavi /
20:09 < Rendez_> nothing but aliases
20:11 < trophaeum> ne1 got suggestions for hosting for gige uplink with minimum 100mbit sustained throughput?
20:12 < _cheerios> if pear is too hard, just grab the svn and setup a vhost to point to it.
20:13 < Rendez_> Ok
20:13 < Rendez_> And then how I start that project?
20:16 < _cheerios> same as with pear, using the agavi cmd, that you setup to point to your agavi installation
20:17 < _cheerios> http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/manual/ch02s02.html#c1-installation-by_hand
20:19 < Rendez_> hmm, still need phing and pear sucks
20:19 < Rendez_> (for me)
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22:34 < marklar|omni> hai
22:49 < impl> hai
23:01 < erisco> aw, we placed 10th
23:01 < erisco> would have placed 8th but we missed one stupid detail
23:01 < impl> in what?
23:01 < erisco> and thus moved on
23:01 < erisco> the competition today
23:01 < impl> ah
23:01 < erisco> its all ridiculous mathematical stuff, and that's just not my expertise
23:02 < erisco> I feel of less worth now :(
23:04 < erisco> 'twas all good fun
23:04 < erisco> want to look at some of the earlier year problems impl?
23:05 < impl> okay
23:06 < erisco> http://www.ecoo.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=61
23:07 < erisco> we were competing at regionals
23:09 < impl> looks interesting, but yeah, theoretical (if not a bit over-the-top so)
23:11 < erisco> its fun, but you end up with a simple 50 line script
23:11 < erisco> all the work is in trying to understand the problem
23:11 < erisco> and we were caught for an absolutely stupid little problem in that we missed the part where the screen had to be cleared between each output
23:11 < erisco> which was the equivalent of   print "\n" * 1000
23:12 < erisco> and we lost 8th because of it
23:13 < erisco> we'll try again next year
23:14 < erisco> practise bizarre problems like that over the summer
23:14 < erisco> it was just me as the programmer.. I had two teammates that were able to break down one of the four problems for me
23:14 < erisco> while I worked on another
23:14 < erisco> so we submitted 2/4
23:14 < erisco> and still got 10th out of 27 teams :o
23:16 < impl> lol
23:16 < erisco> impl, I don't know if it makes me a bad programmer that I cannot solve them very well
23:16 < erisco> to me there seems to be many different areas of programming... and that particular one is very abstract and mathematical
23:16 < erisco> and you just don't seem to get that in most things... at least for web development
23:18 < erisco> then again I have had no teaching whatsoever... and its hard to self-teach complex problem solving such as that
23:18 < erisco> maybe when I learn C over the summer I'll be able to think a bit differently
23:18 < impl> No
23:18 < impl> I don't care for solving that either
23:18 < impl> I prefer to expend my brain-power on, you know, useful things
23:19 < erisco> ;)
23:21 < erisco> talk about expenditure... my mind is numb right now from three hours of continuous crunching
23:22 < erisco> next year we will have a better suited team, hopefully. I was using Python... while I know the syntax, I don't have all the libraries and modules memorized, and probably wasn't using the best tools
23:23 < erisco> we are going to take aboard the best math student we can find
23:34 < erisco> man...
23:34 < erisco> I may want to go back to using an ORM
23:35 < erisco> even though it is a bit more relaxing having full control over simple models
23:35 < impl> ORMs can be terribly convenient
23:35 < erisco> even a simple many-to-many relationship gets obnoxious to program
23:35 < erisco> which ORM do you recommend?
23:35 < erisco> I have tried both propel and doctrine
23:35 < impl> I use Propel
23:36 < erisco> faster? smarter?
23:36 < erisco> what?
23:36 < impl> Haven't had a good chance to try Doctrine yet, actually
23:36 < impl> been meaning to though. DQL is cool (though I'm not sure how feature-complete it is compared to say HQL)
23:37 < erisco> I like just editing a YAML schema and hitting "generate"
23:37 < erisco> quite a satisfying thing
23:37 < impl> hehe :D
23:38 < erisco> which one is documented to integrate with agavi?
23:39 < erisco> I would use Doctrine, because I am slightly more familiar, but if Propel has already been used with agavi many times and is well integrated
23:39 < erisco> I had may as well use it
23:39 < erisco> although to get Doctrine running I just have to write a bootstrap file for it, which isn't terrible
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00:04 < erisco> impl, actually, is there any way you could help me in getting Doctrine working with agavi?
00:04 < erisco> I know you haven't used Doctrine
00:04 < erisco> but I believe the same applies for propel... how do you integrate agavi's database connection handling with propels?
00:09 < erisco> wait, agavi comes with propel anyways doesn't it?
00:14 < erisco> okay, so "bookstore-conf.php is the name of the runtime configuration file Propel generated for you."
00:15 < erisco> how do I get propel to generate this? where do I specify my connection data?
00:15 < erisco> yikes.
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00:21 < erisco> anyone? :(
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04:33 < v-dogg> huomenta
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04:58 < marklar|omni> sup
04:59 < marklar|omni> gmail on crackberry
05:00 < marklar|omni> woot
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06:45 < _cheerios> huomenta
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07:52 < MugeSo> huomenta
07:56 < E_mE> hi
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09:25 < CIA-5> david * r2448 /branches/david-stampede_protection/: branching off 0.11 for work on stampede protection
09:35 < CIA-5> david * r2449 /branches/0.11/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: revert [2420:2421] - we'll get back to this for milestone:0.11.2 - refs #744
09:35 < CIA-5> david * r2450 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: more work on stampede protection, refs #744
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09:37 < CIA-5> david * r2451 /trunk/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: merge [2449]
10:05 < Macen> what is stampede protection?
10:08 < CIA-5> david * r2452 /branches/0.11/tests2/routing/ (WebRoutingTest.php cases/Apache22ModuleSubdir.case.php): routing test cases can now have an 'exportFailure' array with a list of tests that are expected to fail; as a result, the test case for #502 does not appear as failed anymore
10:09 < CIA-5> david * r2453 /trunk/tests2/routing/ (WebRoutingTest.php cases/Apache22ModuleSubdir.case.php): merge [2452]
10:15 < shoan> yeah... what is stampede protection!
10:18 < Wombert> I'm not gonna explain things that are documented in the ticket I referenced in the commit
10:18 < Wombert> that's why I do these things
10:18 < Wombert> so you can look them up easily
10:19 < shoan> looking...
10:26 < Macen> touchy !!!
10:26 < Macen> \i asked because Google returned nothing
10:26 < Wombert> really
10:26 < Macen> really
10:26 < Macen> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=5BD&q=stampede+protection+php&btnG=Search&meta=
10:26 < Wombert> or maybe it is because i have work to do
10:27 < Macen> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stampede+protection&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
10:27 < Macen> soz
10:27 < Macen> just curious
10:27  * Macen fluffles Wombert 
10:27 < Wombert> ehm Macen 
10:27 < Wombert> the FIRST result
10:27 < Wombert> has the explanation
10:27 < Wombert> ...
10:28 < Wombert> http://wiki.horde.org/diff.php?page=BCBreakingHordeIssues&v1=%3F&v2=2.56
10:28 < Wombert> even highlighted in green, just for you
10:28 < Macen> you mean
10:28 < Macen> (have the first process that hits an expired entry touch() it before regenerating it, so that other processes don't *also* try and regenerate it - thus the stampede effect)
10:28 < Macen> i know
10:28 < Macen> i wanted you to explain it
10:29 < Macen> didn't feel like i had an actual answer
10:29 < Macen> too generic a phrase for such a specific answer
10:29 < Macen> anyway, enough analysis, next time just say plstathxbai
10:29 < Wombert> ...
10:29  * Macen fluffles Wombert 
10:29 < Macen> you love me really
10:29 < Wombert> if you had bothered to click the ticket
10:30 < Wombert> you'd see some links to django snippets
10:30 < Macen> i *did* click the tick
10:30 < Wombert> one of which perfectly explains
10:30 < Wombert> The purpose of this caching scheme is to avoid the dog-pile effect. Dog-piling is what normally happens when your data for the cache takes more time to generate than your server is answering requests per second. In other words if your data takes 5 seconds to generate and you are serving 10 requests per second, then when the data expires the normal cache schemes will spawn 50 attempts a regenerating the data before the first request completes. The in
10:30 < Wombert> the problem
10:30 < Macen> ahem
10:30 < Macen> can i just say...not that it matters...
10:30 < Macen> when you know what your looking for...it's quite easy to read up on something
10:30 < Macen> i'm one of those people that tries to learn a little about a lot
10:30 < Macen> i was genuinely interested
10:31 < Macen> i didn't have nearly enough to go on
10:31 < Macen> so..
10:31 < Macen> srsly
10:31 < Macen> was just asking
10:31 < Wombert> that's why I put those two links in there. so people interested in what's it all about can click them and read and learn about the problem
10:31 < Macen> ok
10:31 < Macen> ty
10:31  * Macen coffee
10:32 < Macen> (ps nb. that wiki is useful huh :p )
10:37 < CIA-5> david * r2454 /branches/david-stampede_protection/src/filter/AgaviExecutionFilter.class.php: added stub abortedCacheCreationCallback and adjusted callback signatures, refs #744
10:39 < CIA-5> david * r2455 /branches/david-stampede_protection/tests2/routing/ (WebRoutingTest.php cases/Apache22ModuleSubdir.case.php): merge [2452]
10:42 < CIA-5> david * r2456 /branches/impl-build_system/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge [2447:2453/trunk]
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11:39 < Rendez> huomenta!
11:39 < Rendez> I have the next errors when executing agavi project
11:39 < Rendez> exception 'BuildException' with message 'Buildfile: @PEAR-DIR@/agavi/build.xml does not exist!' in /Applications/MAMP/bin/php5/lib/php/phing/Phing.php:385
11:40 < shoan> Rendez: open agavi file and read the comments
11:40 < shoan> the path to your agavi installation needs to be updated in the script
11:41 < Wombert> ...
11:41 < Wombert> http://www.agavi.org/docs/latest/manuals/manual/ch02s02.html#c1-installation-by_hand
11:41 < Rendez> ok
11:41 < E_mE> hi Wombert... whens the docci marathon going to happen?
11:41 < E_mE> any ideas yet?
11:42 < Wombert> no
11:42 < Wombert> not decided yet
11:43 < Rendez> The problem is that there's no agavi folder anywhere, even when I've tried to install it
11:45 < CIA-5> david * r2457 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/: branching off trunk for work on making the configuration subsystem XML-only, refs #519
11:48 < Rendez> I think I will desist on MAMP
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11:56 < _cheerios> anyone booted linux in rescue mode lately? with debian it was using bterm in console, and via dells drac only vi(m) would load, and with all text bunched together (tabs werent displayed, but were in effect). editing text was impossible as it was not WYSIWYG. anyone know to fix these situations? i now edited the files elsewhere.
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12:02 < Kodeart> well...huomenta! :)
12:03 < Kodeart> is somewhere a detailed examples how to use Agavi?
12:04 < Kodeart> say, about "user" thing, how to create them, modify roles, etc
12:13 < MikeSeth_> hi Kodeart 
12:14 < MikeSeth_> our documentation isnt in the best state
12:14 < Kodeart> MikeSeth_: hi
12:14 < MikeSeth_> specifically rbac is described in the manual though
12:14 < Kodeart> it's not bad really, but it lacks examples imo
12:14 < MikeSeth_> Kodeart: being worked on :)
12:15 < Kodeart> good good :)
12:19 < MikeSeth_> Kodeart: with any luck i will release a demo blog app in a couple of days
12:19 < MikeSeth_> other than this, you have documentation, the sample app in the main tree, and us to answer questions
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12:21 < E_mE> mike you get that link i sent ya?
12:21 < Kodeart> that's nice, but wasn't expecting a fully copy-paste app
12:22 < Kodeart> just usefull examples ;)
12:22 < MikeSeth> E_mE: dude, I got that link the moment it appeared on the interwebs ;>
12:22 < E_mE> ;)
12:22 < Kodeart> makes your brain cells busy
12:22 < MikeSeth> E_mE: Anonymous scores the internet, if anyone so much as farts anywhere about scientology they know about it
12:24 < MikeSeth> E_mE: it's so efficient people get to post comments under known scientologist trolls' names before the trolls themselves ;>
12:25 < E_mE> :) keep it up :)
12:45 < Macen> guys
12:45 < Macen> question
12:45 < E_mE> ?
12:46 < Macen> got a call saying 'i want ftp information my accountant told me i should secure all assets and would like ftp info etc ftp info FTP INFO PLSTANOWBYE' too which i said 'no'
12:46 < Macen> they said 'we own it blah blah i want ftp info ftp info etc'
12:46 < Macen> so we settled on them getting a copy of what they own
12:46 < Macen> like, wtf.. ?
12:47 < Macen> where do i stand on this?
12:47 < Macen> must be a common query
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12:48 < E_mE> do you own the FTP server?
12:48 < Macen> i don't use ftp
12:48 < Macen> i use rsync
12:48 < Macen> the server itself is leased through fasthosts only i have access
12:48 < E_mE> but there site is it stored on your servers?
12:48 < Macen> yes
12:49 < E_mE> how does rsync upload to the server?
12:49 < E_mE> is it some software on the server which accepts connections from rsync client
12:50 < Macen> just standard rsync
12:50 < Macen> rsync on both sides of the transfer
12:51 < CIA-5> dominik * r2458 /branches/0.11/src/util/AgaviArrayPathDefinition.class.php: 
12:51 < CIA-5> don't fail on arrays with 0 or '' as key in getFlatKeyNames
12:51 < CIA-5> closes #757
12:51 < E_mE> Macen: say you dont use FTP
12:51 < E_mE> and see what they say
12:51  * Wombert shakes head
12:51 < Wombert> who owns the server their site is hosted on
12:52 < E_mE> macen rents the server which the site is on..
12:53 < Macen> they pay for ecommerce hosting: http://www.youds.com/web/index.php?target=hosting
12:53 < Wombert> aha
12:53 < Macen> http://www.userdefined.co.uk/web/index.php?target=terms_of_hosting
12:53 < Wombert> so you build a website for them?
12:53 < Wombert> *built
12:53 < Macen> yea
12:54 < Macen> above is out of date big time but it was available at the time of publishing
12:54 < Wombert> what does that have to do with it
12:55 < Macen> it's the only contractual agreement they could possibly quote
12:55 < Wombert> ahahah
12:55 < Wombert> :>>>>>
12:55 < Wombert> look
12:55 < Wombert> maybe you should ask a lawyer to make some contract templates for you
12:55 < Wombert> and if you're running... a... business...
12:55 < CIA-5> dominik * r2459 /branches/0.11/src/validator/AgaviValidator.class.php: 
12:55 < CIA-5> don't remove by validators exported arrays from the request data
12:55 < CIA-5> closes #756
12:55 < Wombert> get familiar with the legal stuff surrounding ownership of works you create for clients, etc
12:55 < Wombert> but that's just my 2c
12:57 < Macen> when i finish ashworth burke (who also raised questions about contractual agreements) i am going to hire one to write the terms up with all the 'variables' surrounding these issues written in
12:57 < Macen> i feel ok now don't know if i should though
12:58 < Macen> trophaeum: you there? :>
12:58 < Macen> maybe you will have 2c ^^^^
12:59 < Wombert> he's an aussie
12:59 < Wombert> and
12:59 < Wombert> could you stop asking for legal advice in this channel
12:59 < Wombert> nobody is allowed to help you anyway
12:59 < Wombert> thanks
12:59 < Macen> i was more hoping for licensing advice
12:59 < Macen> like gnu, etc
13:00 < Wombert> just some hints: your clients may or may not have ownership, usage, copyright and modification rights for the stuff you create
13:01 < Macen> hmk thx
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13:06 < CIA-5> david * r2460 /branches/0.11/CHANGELOG: changelog for [2458:2459]
13:09 < CIA-5> david * r2461 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): 0.11.1 RC3 version info
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13:29 < CIA-5> david * r2462 /tags/0.11.1RC3/: tagging 0.11.1 RC3 for release
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13:31 -!- Wombert changed the topic of #agavi to: Welcome to Agavi :: stable: 0.11.0 :: latest: 0.11.1 RC3 :: http://agavi.org :: http://trac.agavi.org/milestone/0.11.1 :: http://svn.agavi.org/branches/0.11/ :: 1.0 development ramping up :: http://ohloh.net/projects/5907 :: have a question? Just ask, and wait patiently, as patience is the key to happiness :: we're looking for documentation contributors :: logs at http://agavi.org/irclogs/ :: HUOMENTA is the official Agavi greeting!
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14:13 < Wombert> someone tell erisco that his validation export() bug is fixed in RC3 plz
14:13 < Wombert> kthx
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14:44 < CIA-5> david * r2463 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge [2458:2461/branches/0.11]
14:46 < CIA-5> david * r2464 /branches/david-stampede_protection/ (5 files in 5 dirs): merge [2458:2461/branches/0.11]
14:48 < CIA-5> david * r2465 /branches/david-xml_only_config_system/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge [2463]
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15:02 < MugeSo> huomenta
15:04 < MugeSo> Wombert: congratulations on 0.11.1RC3!
15:05 < Wombert> <:
15:05 < Wombert> just a small release, really
15:05 < Wombert> isn't it in the middle of the night or something in japan
15:05 < Wombert> no wait
15:05 < Wombert> early saturday?
15:06 < Wombert> oh
15:06 < Wombert> noon!
15:06 < Wombert> heh
15:06 < Wombert> :>
15:06 < Wombert> no
15:06 < Wombert> midnight
15:06 < Wombert> eheheh 
15:06 < _cheerios> o_O
15:06 < Wombert> I'm confused
15:06 < MugeSo> I've translated release announcement just now.
15:06 < Wombert> (because everyone keeps mentioning the war)
15:06 < Wombert> thanks man MugeSo 
15:06 < Wombert> it's much appreciated
15:06 < MugeSo> It's 0:00 AM. :)
15:06 < Wombert> you are, basically, the connecting point between two cultures! :)
15:06 < Macen> 120:05am in Tokyo 
15:06 < Macen> oh hihi
15:07 < Macen> MugeSo: Wikipedia says the Japanese don't like being called part of Asia
15:07 < Macen> is this true?
15:08 < MugeSo> maybe.. not.
15:08 < Macen> hmk
15:09 < Macen> i will believe wikipedia :)
15:10 < Macen> i hate how brits are not culturally aware
15:10 < E_mE> 120am :/
15:10 < E_mE> wow!
15:10 < E_mE> japanese are damn far out
15:11 < E_mE> hehe
15:11 < MugeSo> lol
15:11 < Macen> oh how we jest
15:12 < Macen> aren't you all such lovely people
15:12 < Macen> <3<3
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15:14 < E_mE> MugeSo where in japan are you?
15:14 < MugeSo_> in Yokohama
15:14 < MugeSo_> do you know?
15:14  * Macen < heard of it
15:15 < E_mE> me going to look now
15:15 < E_mE> ah its pretty much tokyo :)
15:15 < E_mE> cool
15:15 < Macen> why have you been
15:15 < E_mE> i want to visit japan one day
15:16 < Macen> me too actually
15:16 < E_mE> seems so much like another world compare to here
15:16 < Macen> exactly
15:16 < Macen> or china
15:17 < Macen> it would be like being asian in the 60's i imagine
15:17 < MugeSo_> 60's?
15:18 < Macen> when new cultures began to come over to the UK
15:18 < MugeSo_> I see. :)
15:19 < Macen> :) would just be ace i think
15:19 < E_mE> Macen: one big difference, the chinses have a population going on 1.5Billion, sure they don't need us to go over there hehe
15:20 < Wombert> isn't... yokohama right next to tokyo?
15:20  * Wombert goes check in wikipedia
15:20 < E_mE> pretty much Wombert
15:21 < MugeSo_> yeah, just south of tokyo.
15:21 < MugeSo_> from
15:22 < MugeSo_> and, my office is in tokyo.
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15:23 < MugeSo_> it takes about 40 min from my home to my office.
15:23 < MugeSo_> by train.
15:24 < E_mE> MugeSo_: bullet train??
15:26 < E_mE> MugeSo_: tokyo and surrounding areas looks like a MASSIVELY built up area
15:26 < MugeSo_> no! local train :p
15:27 < MugeSo_> yeah,
15:29 < MugeSo_> I've heard that tokyo area is the biggest Megalopolis in the world.
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15:34 < Macen> MugeSo_: that's one word for it :p
15:36 < MugeSo_> :$
15:37 < Macen> i don't think i could live in london, not without some form of sat nav that can guide me around big buildings and through the one way systems
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15:39 < Macen> brb system update
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15:41 < MugeSo_> Wombert: about what i told you, "PHP framework fight!" in japan,
15:41 < Wombert> yea, I remember
15:43 < MugeSo_> a company will provides repository for the challenge. 
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15:45 < MugeSo_> and, only one developer can be comitter for each framework.
15:46 < Wombert> ah
15:46 < Wombert> but we can send you patches or such, right? :>
15:46 < MugeSo_> yeah,
15:47 < MugeSo_> and you can checkout from the repository.
15:48 < Wombert> cool
15:48 < Wombert> so we can all take a look at see if everything is optimal etc
15:48 < Wombert> great
15:48 < Wombert> :>
15:48 < Wombert> when is the challenge starting?
15:51 < MugeSo_> not determined yet. :(
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15:55 < MugeSo_> organizer said that it start as soon as they decide the spec of app.
15:55 < E_mE> you all have to check this out:http://www.sionmc.com/storace/stealing.htm  its AMAZING
15:57 < MugeSo_> but, brief spec have been released :)
15:57 < Wombert> yea?
15:57 < Wombert> so what do you have to build
15:58 < MugeSo_> app will be twitter-like one.
16:00 < MugeSo_> registreation using email, login, post message,  listing posted messages.
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16:01 < Wombert> ah
16:01 < Wombert> that's good. you can at least add RSS
16:01 < Wombert> with one action and two output types
16:01 < Wombert> :)
16:01 < Wombert> how much time will you have?
16:01 < MugeSo_> yeah :)
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16:02 < Wombert> 24 hours? a week? a month?
16:02  * Wombert pokes impl 
16:02 < Wombert> help
16:03 < MugeSo_> the deadline will be mid-june
16:03 < Macen> E_mE: rofl @ that article
16:03 < Macen> what are the chances
16:04 < Wombert> MugeSo_: excellent
16:04 < Wombert> should we start planning?
16:04 < Wombert> do you want any help with this anyway?
16:04 < Wombert> or would you rather like to try yourself
16:05 < Wombert> and just ask for help/advice when needed
16:05 < MugeSo_> I'd like to try myself :)
16:05 < Wombert> <:
16:05 < MugeSo_> at first
16:08 < MugeSo_> Of course, I'm depending on you :)
16:11 < MugeSo_> oh, it's 1:11.
16:12 < MugeSo_> I'm going to bed. good night.
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16:21 < Macen> E_mE: how long did it take you to get through http://www.amazon.co.uk/PHP-5-Objects-Patterns-Practice/dp/1590593804/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b ??
16:21 < E_mE> 1-2 days
16:22 < Macen> so it'll take me 30mins
16:22 < Macen> excellent 
16:22 < Macen> ;D
16:22 < Wombert> before you give up, yeah
16:22 < Macen> OH YOU'RE SO FUNNY!!!
16:26 < Macen> can't wait to read it
16:26 < Macen> and http://www.amazon.co.uk/PHP-MySQL-Dynamic-Web-Sites/dp/032152599X/ref=pd_sim_b_img_49/026-8442256-3682800
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16:48 < E_mE> have good weekend
16:48 < E_mE> baye
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16:54 < Wombert> lawl
16:54 < Wombert> Grammatista segfaults if xdebug is off(!)
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17:06 < saracen> Store IRC logs in a database, line by line. Wise?
17:06 < saracen> Storing*
17:06 < Wombert> I think so, saracen 
17:06 < Wombert> I've been wondering if there was a better way, but couldn't come up with any
17:06 < Wombert> especially since you can do nice computations on the data
17:06 < Wombert> what are you building there? <:
17:07 < saracen> I just saw the low priority ticket for agavi logs :P
17:08 < saracen> Was wondering the best way to restore, which would allow for text indexing. Database is probably best suited. Then I thought there should be a way to easily make sniippets, and tag them with key words. So, the idea of a checkbox per line, so you could select, and "tag" the snippet might be handy
17:10 < saracen> So. When somebody searches for the keyword "routing". Rather than bring up lines, which didnt solve problems/help in anyway/were about networking, you could just discard them, and look at the highlighted snippet areas.
17:11 < saracen> I've no idea if something like this already exists.
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17:20 < MrJeep> if it don't it's a nice idea
17:21 < MrJeep> there is so much help in the irc log
17:22 < saracen> But then you have to decide, is this faster than searching through the text, and pasting in some other document?
17:22 < MrJeep> but it takes so much time to look / search trhough each one
17:23 < saracen> hmm, guess it might make it a little more managable. I'll look in to it
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17:35 < Wombert> owww tasty
17:35 < Wombert> php(63200) malloc: *** error for object 0x29: Non-aligned pointer being freed
17:35 < Wombert> *** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
17:46 < trophaeum> Wombert, well done, been a while since iv seen an malloc error in php :)
17:47 < Wombert> well
17:47 < Wombert> if I var_dump() sth before that
17:47 < Wombert> I get random garbage as output
17:47 < Wombert> <:
17:47 < Wombert> gdb to ze rescue nao
17:48 < nfq> hey Wombert 
17:49 < Wombert> hi there
18:00 < Wombert> owww man
18:00 < Wombert> there's something really wonky deep inside the belly of the ZE beast
18:05 < trophaeum> ooooo, php 5.2.6 released
18:06 < trophaeum> # Over 120 bug fixes. <-- lol
18:06 < trophaeum> gives you so much faith in php when you read that every release
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18:08 < Wombert> well
18:08 < Wombert> check out this "fix"
18:08 < Wombert> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=43507
18:08 < Wombert> ...
18:13 < trophaeum> do i want to know? LOL
18:13 < trophaeum> ur kidding right?
18:13 < trophaeum> wtf!
18:13 < Wombert> I mean
18:14 < Wombert> that guy
18:14 < Wombert> asks twice
18:14 < Wombert> if we can please have a forward-compatible, userland solution to the issue
18:14 < Wombert> but no
18:14 < Wombert> ...
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18:25 < saracen> channel_id, nickname, msg_type, message. (Where message is nickname change, topic change, ordinary text, action text. bascially all other fields)
18:26 < v-dogg> wtf is that dmitry guy thinking?!
18:26 < saracen> Hows that for a irc log schema? Shame message becomes the everything field =(
18:26 < v-dogg> HTTP status code changes based on User-Agent header!? WTF
18:27  * v-dogg slaps php devs
18:28 < v-dogg> this bunch of retards developing php.... sigh...
18:29 < Wombert> owwwww
18:29 < Wombert> variables of unknown type popping up
18:29  * Wombert hugs php
18:36 < Wombert> hoem tiem
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18:43 < _cheerios> jee
18:47 < marklar|omni> hai
18:50 < _cheerios> anyone here worked with drupal?
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18:57 < saracen> http://91.84.44.214/parser.php | http://91.84.44.214/agavi-200805.log
18:57 < saracen> Think thats about everything. It doesnt do modes though.
18:57 < saracen> opps, http://91.84.44.214/parser.txt
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19:12 < _cheerios> wth. one of our domains dropped off the face of the internet.
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19:19 < _cheerios> how do you troubleshoot shit like this o_O
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19:19 < _cheerios> friday evening too :shakes head:
19:25 < trophaeum> _cheerios, off the face of mr googlebot or off the face of all hosting?
19:25 < _cheerios> when i dig it, ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
19:26 < trophaeum> well done
19:26 < trophaeum> turn on debug and d2 in nslookup and see what u get
19:26 < _cheerios> and when it does give something, it points to 192.168.1.1
19:29 < _cheerios> "SERVFAIL", and no infoes.
19:33 < Macen> hmm
19:34 < Macen> i think i just about covered everything for t&c's
19:36 < Macen> all web sites authored for use on suppliers hosting services with a 60% fee to make web site portable unless hosting service increases in cost, becomes inefficient or experiences sporadic periods of downtime
19:36 < _cheerios> fixed. the shitty config pane mustve fubared the config. i deleted half, then saved the thing again, and back on the internets.
19:37 < Macen> where inefficient means significantly slower than other web sites in a similar industry and of similar size. (where size refers to the amount of bandwidth required to download the entire web page’s HTML content and significantly slower refers to the time taken to download the content being 3 times slower, at a minimum of  2.5 seconds, for extended periods of the day) http://www.selfseo.com/website_speed_test.php 
19:37 < Macen> then pritty standard downtime clause
19:37 < Macen> now just needs writing up
19:37 < Macen> by mr expensive as fuk lawyer
19:41 < Wombert> again
19:41 < Wombert> you're worrying about "downtime" (it's called "service level agreement, just for the record)
19:42 < Macen> sla
19:42 < Wombert> when you don't even have a clue what rights your clients have, according to uk law, regarding the work you do for them
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19:42 < Macen> hence mr expensive lawyer
19:42 < erisco> yay, I see the array issue was fixed in RC3
19:43 < erisco> how do you tell pear to upgrade beta packages?
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19:44 < erisco> I guess I will just uninstall and reinstall
19:50 < Wombert> lol
19:50 < Wombert> ...
19:51 < Wombert> a lawyer?
19:51 < Wombert> man
19:51  * Wombert shakes head
19:52 < erisco> hey Wombert. sorry to be such a pain all the time. I am trying to get propel working but the doc seems to be a little incomplete
19:52 < erisco> I am not sure how to get propel to generate the config file... and I presume that config file is where I will put my database connection information
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20:20 < Wombert> wasn't he a doctrine guy anyway
20:28 < Wombert> MikeSeth_: poek
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22:02 < erisco> how can I get the configurations read by agavi? for example I want to get the database information read from databases.xml
22:03 < erisco> that way I can still have my database configuration with agavi
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22:06 < Wombert> why does he always leave right away
22:40 < trophaeum> its open source, support should be as good as premium paid contracts!
22:40 < trophaeum> didnt you know that?
22:49 < Wombert> well
22:49 < Wombert> he's friendly and all
22:49 < Wombert> but why doesn't he wait for a reply :p
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23:12 < nfq> yo Wombert 
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01:18 < impl> Wombert: oh hai?
01:18 < Wombert> impl: 
01:18 < Wombert> wanna help me hunt down a segfault
01:18 < Wombert> it's an awesome one
01:18 < impl> sure
01:19 < Wombert> remember grammatista crashing?
01:19 < Wombert> turns out that happens unless you have xdebug installed
01:19 < Wombert> lets talk in teh chan
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04:08 < MugeSo> huomenta
04:10 < MugeSo> are most Euro sleeping?
04:12 < MugeSo> I've check the 0.11.1RC3 out and tried to run sample app.
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04:14 < MugeSo> but, an exception was thrown. saying Line 4: Element 'handlers', [lax WC]: The namespace of the element is not allowed.
04:14 < MugeSo> :(
04:20 < MugeSo> oh! forget me
04:20 < MugeSo> I've checkout trunk :$
04:24 < MugeSo> wait,
04:24 < MugeSo> RC3's sample don't work too.
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04:45 < v-dogg> huomenta
04:46 < v-dogg> MugeSo: http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF
04:46 < MugeSo> thanks!
04:48 < MugeSo> it works!
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06:58 < _cheerios> huomenta
06:59 < _cheerios> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_file_systems&oldid=209063556#Features
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07:54 < _cheerios> is the sample app broken?
07:58 < marklar|omni> sup
08:08 < _cheerios> seemed to be a broken cache.
08:08 < _cheerios> trying out that view refactor i talked about a month or so back
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09:25 < _cheerios> not much changes. seems to work \o/
09:49 < _cheerios> hmm, almost. why is AgaviPhpRenderer rebelling :|
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10:20 < _cheerios> ah, yes, AgaviView's 'template' => $this->container->getViewName()
10:29 < E_mE[Stilgar]> huomenta
10:29 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pah! had fecking seagull neting in my garden :/  
10:29 < _cheerios> Wombert, would an additional setter/getter for TemplateName have a place in the container? Default module's PhpRenderer+AgaviView combo with a view name "Index_Error404View" and template Error404Success doesn't work out due ^^.
10:29  * E_mE[Stilgar] wishes he had an airgun
10:30 < Wombert> wh what
10:30 < Wombert> *eh
10:30 < Wombert> the template must be called Index/Error404Success ...
10:31 < _cheerios> im working on the single action, single view, multiple templates approach I talked about some weeks back
10:32 < _cheerios> http://p.caboo.se/190956
10:33 < _cheerios> works OK, as long as the ProjectBaseView extends createLayer to setup the template as 'template' => $this->container->getActionName().$this->container->getAttribute('action_eturn_code')
10:34 < Wombert> yeah, I guess that is what you have to do in such a case
10:40 < _cheerios> leads to modifying the Default template to use the same ProjectBaseView, un-finalizing execute(). i suppose no biggy, just harder to push the change for anyone to use.
10:40 < _cheerios> *Default module
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11:30 < CIA-5> david * r2466 /branches/0.11/ (CHANGELOG src/exception/templates/shiny.php): Fix #758: UTF-8 special characters in exception messages get garbled in exception output
11:31 < _cheerios> Wombert, i changed the approach -- that action return(module,view) syntax had undesired sideffects. works fine now. i'll throw the diff around so you can scrutinize ;)
11:31 < Wombert> ok
11:32 < Wombert> I have to say I still can't quite follow you
11:34 < CIA-5> david * r2467 /branches/0.11/ (RELEASE_NOTES etc/phing/AgaviPackageTask.php src/version.php): adjust version info
11:48 < _cheerios> Wombert, http://dpaste.com/48091/
11:51 < _cheerios> it makes views behave like this: http://p.caboo.se/190972
11:51 < _cheerios> actions and templates remain the same
11:53 < _cheerios> Default_IndexAction (return Success/Error) -> Default_IndexView (successHtml()/errorHtml()) -> (templates) IndexSuccess / IndexError
12:05 < Wombert> k will have a look when back
12:05 < Wombert> bbl
12:05 < Wombert> ->
12:32 < _cheerios> anyone used a custom build.xml in their project path? agavi says its using it while building actions, but doesn't. Something needed for build.properties?
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12:34 < fill87> HUOMENTA
12:34 < fill87> wtf is going on with the agavi.org dns?
12:45 < _cheerios> ?
12:49 < fill87> OSX105
12:49 < fill87> http://pastebin.org/d76ea2d50
12:50 < fill87> http://pastebin.com/d76ea2d50
12:51 < fill87> getting a parked domain by godaddy
12:57 < MikeSeth_> I would suggest you folks ditch godaddy 
12:57 < MikeSeth_> it sucks
12:59 < fill87> other possi to reach svn/trac?
13:00 < Wombert> gah
13:00 < Wombert> not again
13:02 < _cheerios> Wombert, quickest way to have custom tasks for agavi -- replacing eg. buildview?
13:06 < fill87> server ip?
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13:41 < _cheerios> Wombert, got it. Fixed the agavi to check for a custom build.xml http://p.caboo.se/190995
13:45 < _cheerios> almost works, need lowercasing of %%VIEW%%
13:48 < Wombert> why
13:48 < Wombert> for the method call?
13:48 < Wombert> methods are case insensitive
13:50 < _cheerios> yer, for SuccessHtml() to be successHtml()
13:51 < Wombert> no need for that, really
13:51 < Wombert> works either way
13:51 < Wombert> cosmetic ^^
13:57 < _cheerios> you're lax today!
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14:05 < _cheerios> here's some more executionFilter modding, to keep views "clean" http://p.caboo.se/190999
14:06 < Wombert> hai MugeSo 
14:06 < MugeSo> hi
14:07 < Wombert> committed your exception template fix
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14:07 < Wombert> http://trac.agaviproject.org/ticket/752#comment:3
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14:09 < MugeSo> i'm glad.
14:09 < MugeSo> i see #752
14:10 < erisco> to integrate Doctrine models into my app should I just use Doctrine::getTable('tableName') ?
14:10 < Wombert> there you are erisco 
14:10 < Wombert> you really gotta wait a moment or two after asking a question ;)
14:10 < MugeSo> you are right
14:10 < Wombert> if you leave right away, I have no chance to answer ^^
14:11 < Wombert> some people here have used doctrine with agavi
14:11 < erisco> Wombert, yeah, I am sorry
14:11 < Wombert> the idea is
14:11 < Wombert> that you set up the connections you want to use
14:11 < Wombert> then you grab them in agavi and operate on those
14:12 < erisco> how are the connections setup?
14:12 < erisco> I just did it in a separate file called database.php
14:12 < Wombert> databases.xyml
14:12 < Wombert> *xml
14:12 < erisco> okay, I guess that is my main question then. How do I operate on that config file myself
14:12 < Wombert> <database name="mytestdb" class="AgaviDoctrineDatabase">
14:12 < Wombert>   <parameter name="dsn">...</parameter>
14:12 < Wombert> </database>
14:13 < Wombert> then you do $context->getDatabase('mytestdb')->getConnection()
14:13 < Wombert> or shorter
14:13 < Wombert> $context->getDatabaseConnection('mytestdb')
14:13 < Wombert> getDatabase() returns the Agavi...Database adapter
14:13 < Wombert> getConnection() gives you the doctrine_connection instance
14:13 < erisco> ah, so there is already a doctrine adapter?
14:13 < Wombert> or whatever it is exactly
14:13 < Wombert> yea sure
14:13 < Wombert> mind you that you can set a defailt database
14:14 < Wombert> <databases default="mytestdb">
14:14 < Wombert> then getDatabaseConnection() will just grab that
14:14 < erisco> brilliant
14:14 < Wombert> the adapter uses the doctrine connection manager
14:14 < Wombert> it also connects JIT
14:15 < Wombert> getResource() on the adapter returns the pdo connection or whatever doctrine uses
14:15 < Wombert> maybe check out the AgaviDoctrineDatabase code
14:16 < Wombert> http://trac.agaviproject.org/browser/tags/0.11.1RC3/src/database/AgaviDoctrineDatabase.class.php
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14:17 < erisco> yes
14:17 < MugeSo> Wombert: talking of doctrine, why not call Doctrine::loadModels in AgaviDoctrineDatabase ?
14:17 < Wombert> oh
14:17 < Wombert> what is that?
14:17 < Wombert> never heard of it
14:17 < Wombert> not a big doctrine user myself
14:17 < erisco> well, so should I include Doctrine through the config.php or what?
14:17 < Wombert> yes erisco 
14:17 < Wombert> usually, you set up 3rd party libraries there
14:18 < Wombert> doesn't have to be config.php obviously
14:18 < Wombert> that one's just included from index.php
14:18 < Wombert> MugeSo: what is loadModels() ?
14:18 < MugeSo> the method load doctrine models,
14:19 < erisco> I think it registers them with the autoloader
14:19 < MugeSo> yeah, it is, erisco
14:20 < Wombert> you guys are the doctrine experts, right?
14:20 < MugeSo> load models with directory path
14:20 < Wombert> are there new features in 0.11 we need to support
14:20 < Wombert> or 0.10 features still missing, like loadModels()
14:20 < MugeSo> I'm learning doctrine just now :)
14:21 < erisco> Wombert, $this->context->getDatabaseConnection() ... how does this help me get a table?
14:21 < nfq> Hey Wombert busy>?
14:23 < Wombert> erisco: ->getTable()
14:23 < Wombert> no?
14:23 < Wombert> on the connection?
14:24 < erisco> oh, yes, correct
14:25 < Wombert> <:
14:25 < Wombert> nfq: hey nfq
14:25 < nfq> hey Wombert long time.. all good?
14:25 < Wombert> yea
14:25 < Wombert> just some intermittent busyness today
14:25 < Wombert> bbiab
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14:33 < erisco> now my application starts grinding to a halt. was at 0.01 seconds, now its 0.2 seconds
14:33 < erisco> ah well
14:33 < erisco> that's what you get for an ORM
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14:34 < erisco> you know of what I was thinking?
14:34 < erisco> some script that would "solidify" php code
14:35 < erisco> but I bet the op caches do essentially what I am thinking of
14:36 < saracen_> What are you thinking of?
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14:38 < erisco> something that would not only compile all of the includes into a single source file, but strip the comments, remove unnecessary whitespace
14:38 < erisco> but then even experiment with strange things like replacing "lookups" with their value
14:39 < saracen> =/
14:40 < saracen> It's an opcode cache, why do you think comments are opcodes =)
14:40 < erisco> so if your application had getters/setters, it'd be replaced in your source with the actual attribute
14:40 < erisco> things to reduce function calls
14:41 < erisco> I don't think replacing constants all over with their actual value would be any speed improvement, who knows
14:41 < saracen> I'm not sure what other means they do to make it efficient, but, they dont store comments/unneeded whitespace, as they're not operational codes.
14:42 < erisco> yes, I was sure they didn't
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14:42 < erisco> what I am essentially saying is that there are conveniences or good practises in scripts that are useful for development, but when it comes to running them it is just a slowdown
14:44 < erisco> aside from unnecessary comments and whitespace, there is unnecessary code when it comes to execution
14:44 < erisco> not that this kind of detection would easily be made automatic, but suppose you wrote a build file or whatever
14:45 < erisco> I think one of the coolest things would be the potential to replace the big database/sql abstraction layers with their vanilla equivalents
14:46 < MikeSeth_> oh hai
14:46 < erisco> so if in your Doctrine app you are using DQL in something like $SomeTable->findByDql('foo = true');
14:46 < erisco> it would rewrite that line with, say, mysql_query('SELECT * FROM some_table WHERE foo = true');
14:47 < erisco> its beyond just caching the query, its rebuilding the source code for maximum execution efficiency
14:47  * erisco shrugs
14:48 < erisco> whether any of it is practical or not, I am not sure. It was just an idea I was turning over in my mind
14:48 < saracen> That's essentially what it does anyway, but just calling objects/functions inbetween =). The PHP compiler apparently sped up object execution time, I wonder if opcaches have the same drastic improvement.
14:48 < saracen> The roadsend php compiler, that is.
14:49 < erisco> saracen, yes that is essentially it, but if it can be done without those extra objects and function calls then we achieve a lesser execution time
14:49 < saracen> oo, which now supports PHP5, cool.
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14:51 < erisco> saracen, but what I am suggesting wouldn't really have/want to use Doctrine or an ORM
14:51 < erisco> it'd be nicer just to have some special comment that was replaced with a database-specific query
14:51 < erisco> that's all I am going at, really then, I guess. More code generation over rediscovery
14:54 < erisco> as stateless applications benefit from that the most
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14:58 < _cheerios> hell has arrived. > +20C in finland :pant:
14:58 < erisco> that's what I am going to do anyways. some pseudo-language for database abstraction
14:58 < erisco> I can see the benefit in it
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15:00 < _cheerios> i have a 2-3x faster orm that doctrine done (bar some features i dont need so far), but aiming for speed in php means your code looks odd when you turn the lights on ;)
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15:04 < MugeSo> i think if you fixate on speed, you should use C :p
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15:06 < _cheerios> MugeSo, you want to rearchitect my orm? :)
15:07 < MugeSo> no thanks,
15:07 < MugeSo> it's joke.
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15:19 < _cheerios> anyone have comments on improving the custom ExecutionFilter I pasted some lines ago... before I modify my project to use it
15:27 < erisco> once again my project is put to an utter halt due to some stupid library
15:27 < erisco> I cannot get Doctrine's fixtures to work
15:29 < MikeSeth_> erisco: work nicely for me
15:29 < MikeSeth_> are you using the cli?
15:29 < erisco> yes
15:30 < erisco> I created a fixtures directory and put a fixture file in it
15:30 < erisco> then I got rid of the directory and called the fixtures file 'fixtures'
15:30 < erisco> still nothing
15:30 < erisco> says it is successful, yet nothing is loaded
15:30 < MikeSeth_> did you assign data_fixtures_path?
15:30 < erisco> yes
15:30 < MikeSeth_> $ctx->getDatabaseManager()->getDatabase()->getConnection()->connect();
15:30 < erisco> schema can be full of junk and no error happens
15:30 < MikeSeth_> $config = array( 'models_path' => AgaviConfig::get('core.orm_path'), 'data_fixtures_path' => AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir') . DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . 'db' . DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . 'fixtures' );
15:30 < MikeSeth_> works for me
15:31 < erisco> fails for me
15:31 < MikeSeth_> are you on latest doctrine 0.10?
15:32 < erisco> yes
15:32 < MikeSeth_> strange
15:32 < MikeSeth_> can you get it to create the schema in an emoty db?
15:32 < MikeSeth_> empty*
15:33 < MikeSeth_> e.g. build-all-reload
15:34 < erisco> database was already empty, and no, build-all-reload did not load the fxitures
15:35 < erisco> this is why I *hate* orms
15:35 < erisco> nothing works
15:36 < erisco> and okay, from a developer standpoint, what do I do know that the fixtures will not work
15:37 < saracen> I'd start with being frustrated =)
15:37 < erisco> yup, got that
15:37 < erisco> now what
15:41 < MikeSeth_> uhhh
15:41 < MikeSeth_> i spent some time getting it to work
15:42 < MikeSeth_> but it wasnt really complicated or anything
15:42 < erisco> I don't understand what I could possibly be doing wrong
15:43 < erisco> 'data_fixtures_path'  =>  dirname(__FILE__) . '/Doctrine/fixtures'
15:43 < erisco> which is the correct path to the fixtures directory
15:43 < MikeSeth_> just in case pastebin your whole cli wrapper
15:43 < erisco> and in that fixtures directory is a valid fixtures yaml file called data
15:44 < erisco> zomg
15:44 < MikeSeth_> oh
15:44 < erisco> had to give it a .yml extension
15:44 < erisco> makes sense... it supports many formats
15:44 < MikeSeth_> my fixtures are generated by doctrine, I didnt write them by hand
15:47 < E_mE[Stilgar]> pokes MikeSeth_
15:48 < MikeSeth_> oshi
15:48 < MikeSeth_> im not id'd
15:48 < MikeSeth_> i said
15:48 < MikeSeth_> pastebin it
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15:49 < E_mE[Stilgar]> click link
15:50 < erisco> finally back on track
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16:00 < E_mE[Stilgar]> macen if your using BT as an isp, you may be getting phorm reading your dataz! 
16:01 < E_mE[Stilgar]> naughty naughty
16:01 < Macen> say what ?
16:01 < E_mE[Stilgar]> you not heard about Phorm and BT's naughty behaviour last year?
16:03 < Macen> not heard anything about that no
16:03 < MugeSo> _cheerios: it's cool that your Veiw execution architecture!
16:04 < Macen> i generally don't like bt because they block 3rd party mail servers unless you use their business service, but i'm getting this for free (and it's business)
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16:05 < E_mE[Stilgar]> Macen: have fun: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/
16:06 < Macen> unsettling 
16:06 < Macen> i might go to carphone warehouse because when the question about banning fileshare users was broached in the media they were the first to say no way would we do that
16:07 < Macen> do unlikely they'd be selling data to some company
16:07 < Macen> s/do/so
16:07 < Macen> hmmmmmm
16:07 < E_mE[Stilgar]> the scary part is that the UK government are refusing to hold anyone to account
16:07 < E_mE[Stilgar]> there just brushing it off
16:10 < Macen> labour are leading us down the road of being a nanny-state 
16:10 < Macen> our lives are watched on cctv and trends sold to marketing companies with their concent
16:10 < Macen> dunno who else i'd vote for though
16:11 < _cheerios> MugeSo, ty
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16:28 < MugeSo> Wombert: http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/752#comment:4
16:31 < MugeSo> it's 1:30am, good night.
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16:31 < Fou4th> I have this template (for example): <input type="text" name="abc"/>. Is it possible to set it's value somewhere in action/view?
16:32 < Wombert> absolutely, Fou4th 
16:32 < Wombert> I assume you want to initially populate the form?
16:32 < Wombert> like a product edit form?
16:32 < Fou4th> yep
16:32 < Wombert> okay
16:32 < Wombert> are you familiar with FPF yet?
16:32 < Wombert> do you use it to re-fill forms on error and such?
16:32 < Fou4th> yep
16:32 < Wombert> (form population filter)
16:32 < Wombert> okay coolo
16:32 < Wombert> *cool
16:32 < Wombert> in your view
16:32 < Wombert> like... ProductEditInputView
16:32 < Wombert> do this:
16:33 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviParameterHolder(array('abc' => 'def')), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
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16:37 < Wombert> that's why it's important to always have an InputView and an ErrorView
16:37 < Wombert> and reuse the Input template in the ErrorView
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16:38 < Wombert> because otherwise you need to add conditionals for this population setting etc, and your code becomes ugly
16:39 < Fou4th> thanks, I'll try later
16:40 < Fou4th> currently it doesn't work, I think because of some other errors
16:40 < Fou4th> mine errors
16:40 < Wombert> the example I gave
16:41 < Wombert> only works if the form in question has the same url as the current request
16:41 < Wombert> you can also populate one (or more) form(s) by ID
16:41 < Wombert> $this->getContext()->getRequest()->setAttribute('populate', array('form_id' => new AgaviParameterHolder(array('abc' => 'def'))), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
16:42 < Fou4th> yep, understood, now I have point of view how to do that kind of things
16:42 < Wombert> you might want to consider fiddling with your base view
16:42 < Wombert> and extend initialize()
16:42 < Wombert> and assign some of the internal objects to members
16:42 < Wombert> so you have $this->rq
16:42 < Wombert> $this->ro
16:42 < Wombert> $this->tm
16:42 < Wombert> etc
16:42 < Wombert> saves lots of typing
16:43 < Wombert> and it's faster, of course - every method call costs time
16:43 < Fou4th> thanks, I'll try this too
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16:51 < erisco> so when you are writing a template, how do you generate a url to another page?
16:51 < erisco> I am guessing it uses the router API... but I am a tad unsure
16:53 < erisco> okay, I think I got it, AgaviWebRouting::gen()
16:53 < saracen> Yeah, which can usually be accessed via $ro->gen();
16:54 < saracen> In templates
16:57 < erisco> okay one problem and one question
16:57 < erisco> problem: the generated url does not include index.php, but my environment is using index.php
16:57 < erisco> question: to provide the routing parameters you would just do, say, $ro->gen('dog/' . $dog['id']);
16:58 < erisco> no special arguments?
16:59 < erisco> oh, and another thing, the gen sticks a question mark on the end of the url
16:59 < erisco> not that it is a disaster, but it is unsightly
17:01 < erisco> any ideas saracen?
17:02 < saracen> It's putting a question mark there because that route doesnt actually exist =)
17:02 < saracen> Check out routing.xml
17:03 < erisco> how does it distinguish the "route name"
17:03 < saracen> One sec, i'll pastebin you some stuff
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17:04 < erisco> thanks
17:04 < saracen> oh, wait, can just link you to something hopefully
17:11 < saracen> http://pastebin.com/m2edc0102
17:12 < saracen> Something like tha
17:12 < saracen> t
17:12 < saracen> So, ->gen() takes your routes name.
17:26 < Wombert> [18:57] erisco: problem: the generated url does not include index.php, but my environment is using index.php
17:26 < Wombert> which web server is that
17:26 < erisco> apache
17:27 < erisco> and thank-you saracen
17:27 < Wombert> you generate urls based onnames
17:28 < erisco> Wombert, so if my route takes an id parameter, how do I generate that?
17:29 < erisco> the params array seems to create a query string
17:30 < erisco> hold up, nevermind
17:30 < erisco> spelt the parameter wrong
17:30 < Wombert> $ro->gen('routename', $params);
17:31 < Wombert> example
17:32 < Wombert> <route name="dogs" pattern="^/dogs" module="Dogs">
17:32 < Wombert>   <route name=".index" pattern="^$" action="Index" />
17:32 < Wombert>   <route name=".dog" pattern="^/(id:\d+)">
17:32 < Wombert>     <route name=".view" pattern="^$" action="View" />
17:32 < Wombert>     <route name=".gallery" pattern="^/gallery$" action="Gallery" />
17:32 < Wombert> etc etc
17:32 < _cheerios> one project converted. my views feel so light now \o/
17:32 < Wombert> you can nest them as deep as you want
17:32 < Wombert> leading dots are used to concatenate with parent name
17:32 < saracen> I might take my irclog snippet idea a little futher. Support more channels
17:32 < Wombert> you can do the same with actions to organize your project
17:32 < Wombert> e.g. Dogs.Dog.View
17:33 < Wombert> always remember to achor your patterns properly or I can buold funny urls that work
17:34 < Wombert> as you can see, module, action and other attributes are inherited from parent routes
17:37 < Macen> saracen: see http://stats.netgamers.org/
17:37 < erisco> Wombert, thanks :)
17:38 < Wombert> see saracens example
17:38 < Wombert> line 17
17:38 < Wombert> I'd remove the trailing $ there
17:39 < Wombert> just gotta be careful that routes with no trailing $ do not resolve to an action
17:39 < Wombert> e.g. <route pattern="^/products/(id:\d+)" action="ViewProduct" />
17:39 < Wombert> then /product/17...lulzyousuck
17:39 < Wombert> would match, too
17:39 < Wombert> since the regex is not anchored at the end
17:40 < Wombert> make your urls logical
17:40 < Wombert> .../products
17:40 < Wombert> .../products/152
17:40 < Wombert> .../products/152/gallery
17:40 < Wombert> .../products/152/reviews/add
17:40 < Wombert> etc
17:40 < erisco> when I do the admin I will want to organize views
17:40 < Wombert> like?
17:40 < erisco> well, actions views and templates really
17:41 < erisco> well I will have CRUD for every database table
17:41 < erisco> that's four per table
17:41 < erisco> be nice to have em organized
17:41 < erisco> so I just stick them in directories and in the routing I use "." as the /?
17:42 < Wombert> actions and such?
17:42 < Wombert> yes
17:42 < Wombert> but remember to use the "agavi" script
17:42 < saracen> Argh, I wish things would just program themselves
17:42 < Wombert> modules/Admin/actions/Dogs/Dog/EditAction.class.php
17:42 < Wombert> etc
17:42 < Wombert> is what I'd recommend
17:43 < _cheerios> there is of course the crud-helper routing thingy, http://p.caboo.se/191041
17:43 < _cheerios> unfinished work, but if you'll have lots of those...
17:43 < Wombert> ah yes
17:44 < erisco> _cheerios, that isn't CRUD, that's MADE
17:44 < Wombert> you can use xincludes etc in configs
17:44 < Wombert> not sure if I mentioned that <:
17:44 < _cheerios> erisco, you can name then however you please :)
17:49 < erisco> _cheerios, that design should work really well
17:49 < erisco> _cheerios, quite impressive... not even any of the "admin generators" are able to produce something that nice
17:50 < erisco> one action suits all
18:05 < nfq> Wombert: re
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18:28 < _cheerios> starting to use my own orm in a project. this might be a bumpy road. x_X
18:28 < erisco> why your own?
18:28 < erisco> just curious
18:29 < erisco> _cheerios, does it take a unique twist?
18:29 < _cheerios> too much idle time, i suppose
18:33 < _cheerios> erisco, slight twist. looks like this http://p.caboo.se/191064
18:34 < erisco> _cheerios, neat
18:35 < erisco> _cheerios, I am having a big problem with data fixtures in doctrine right now :(
18:35 < _cheerios> bummer *g*
18:36 < _cheerios> doctrine is improving lately. i started using it like half a year+ ago. man o man, full of bugs.
18:36 < erisco> yeah... the way fixture yaml files are written I cannot do the inserts in an order that the relationship constraints will allow
18:36 < erisco> so I am fucked
18:36 < _cheerios> don't use yaml?
18:38 < erisco> I don't know any other config format for doctrine
18:38 < erisco> nor do I know if I can fix it in another format
18:39 < _cheerios> everything should be doable in pure php
18:39 < erisco> if only I could just tell doctrine not to put the constraints in the database
18:40 < erisco> I am utterly halted again until this is fixed
18:41 < erisco> which is obnoxious
18:47 < _cheerios> #doctrine?
18:47 < erisco> I'm trying... no one is answering
18:48 < erisco> without test data I cannot do anything
18:49 < Macen> doctrine looks quite good
18:49 < erisco> it is alright
18:49 < _cheerios> i have to say having a big Absolut Vodka bottle in ones fridge does keep the spirits up.
18:49 < Macen> lol _cheerios 
18:49 < Macen> my best mate atm is fosters, beer is good
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18:50 < Macen> erisco: why not edit the table manually?
18:50 < Macen> erisco: or does doctrine stop you doing that?
18:53 < erisco> there is no point editing it manually, because the next time I have to rebuild my database its all undone
18:56 < Macen> ah
18:56 < Macen> surely you can add some custom sql someplace 
18:56 < Macen> if not that sucks :x 
18:57 < erisco> you can generate an sql file... but I would have to manually edit it every tiem
18:57 < erisco> time*
19:24 < erisco> okay, I am having a strange problem... my route is acting up
19:24 < erisco> for some reason it is not finding "TestimonialList" action
19:24 < erisco> and returning 404
19:24 < erisco> but there is a TestimonialList action
19:29 < _cheerios> that would imply the regex in routing.xml doesnt match anything
19:30 < saracen> Does agavi haver permission to it? Just a shot in the dark, but because I use samba to my server, if I ever make a new file here, rather than on the server itself, i have to chmod the directory again =)
19:30 < erisco> _cheerios, if you redirect to an action or module that does not exist it 404'S as well
19:30 < erisco> _cheerios, and the regexp matches fine
19:31 < _cheerios> and you made this action with the agavi cmd, right?
19:32 < Macen> saracen: did you take a look at that netgamers stats robot?
19:33 < saracen> Yeah, seen things like it before. But, not really what I'm aiming for =)
19:33 < Macen> saracen: ah ok :) just the source code is available (the guy really won't mind) so if you wanted to see how things were done in that then well, it's all at the bottom of that page
19:34 < Macen> saracen: he's available on irc.netgamers.org, speak to Kloopy
19:34 < Macen> saracen: just a thought
19:34 < saracen> Yeah, guess I could take a look at the source, to see how he's storing things. Might do that =)
19:40 < erisco> _cheerios, I didn't
19:40 < erisco> _cheerios, why do I need to?
19:40 < _cheerios> it makes sure the files go in the correct places with the correct names
19:41 < erisco> so I messed something up bad then
19:41 < erisco> because I have generated quite a few actions that I deleted manually
19:41 < _cheerios> plus its quicker :)
19:41 < _cheerios> it doesnt handle deletion, just addition.
19:41 < erisco> then I must have remains of old actions somewhere
19:42 < erisco> and in any case I do not want to rewrite this action
19:42 < erisco> so how do I register it, or whatever
19:44 < _cheerios> it doesnt rewrite either, if the file exists. brand new stuff only
19:45 < erisco> what do you mean?
19:46 < erisco> I had an action called "Testimonials". I realized I also needed an action to add testimonials, so I renamed it to "TestimonialList"
19:46 < erisco> I renamed the action, the view, and the templates correctly
19:46 < erisco> but I get 404's when trying to get to them through routing
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19:49 < _cheerios> paste your routing.xml to some bin plus the action
19:50 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87135
19:50 < erisco> maybe the pattern doesn't like matching nothing?
19:51 < erisco> nah, that isn't it
19:51 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87136\
19:51 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87136
19:52 < Wombert> did you rename the class files
19:52 < Wombert> and why not Testimonials/List
19:52 < Wombert> etc
19:52 < erisco> class files are renamed
19:52 < erisco> I did not do Testimonials/List because I do not know how :)
19:53 < erisco> if I am going to organize the actions it only makes sense to organize the views and templates as well
19:53 < erisco> and I don't know how to
19:54 < Wombert> yes but the class names?
19:55 < Wombert> well an action
19:55 < Wombert> Testimonials.List
19:55 < nfq> Wombert: back?
19:56 < erisco> for the routing action? okay...
19:56 < Wombert> is looked up in actions/Testimonials/ListAction.class.php
19:56 < erisco> but that just organizes the actions
19:56 < Wombert> the views and templates follow the same schema
19:56 < erisco> plus that doesn't solve my original problem
19:56 < Wombert> if your action name is Testimonials.List
19:56 < Wombert> and you return a view name "Success"
19:56 < erisco> my action is clearly "TestimonialList", and the file clearly exists
19:56 < Wombert> then it looks for Testimonials/ListSuccessView.class.php
19:57 < erisco> Wombert, ah, I see
19:57 < erisco> well I will reorganize that, then, and see where I am
19:57 < Wombert> I bet its just a typo
19:57 < erisco> what is the class name then?
19:57 < erisco> Public_TestimonialsListAction ?
19:58 < Wombert> no
19:58 < Wombert> Module_Sub_MarineAction
19:58 < Wombert> is the classname
19:58 < Wombert> for modules/Module/Sub/MarineAction.class.php
19:58 < erisco> okay
20:00 < marklar|omni> hai
20:01 < erisco> Wombert, okay, but it is still 404'ing :(
20:01 < erisco> I will check for typos...
20:01 < erisco> one typo, but still 404'ing... checking for more
20:03 < erisco> I don't know :(
20:03 < erisco> the typo was introduced in the reorganization, and was not part of the original issue
20:04  * erisco shrugs
20:05 < Wombert> does it work now?
20:06 < erisco> nope
20:06 < erisco> definitely not any apparent typos
20:06 < erisco> is there a way to debug what agavi is looking for in the route?
20:07 < Wombert> in the error404 action
20:07 < Wombert> you could dump $rq->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing');
20:10 < erisco> sorry, but how is a error404 action created?
20:10 < erisco> I think I remember it in the docs but I cannot see it
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20:10 < digitarald> Huomenta
20:11 < nfq> wotcha digitarald
20:11 < Wombert> should be in the default module
20:11 < nfq> ok, I should use the Agavi greeting
20:14 < erisco> Wombert, Fatal error:  Call to a member function getAttribute() on a non-object in /var/www/tck/app/modules/Default/templates/Error404Success.php on line 9
20:14 < erisco> Wombert, although in output_types.yml the request is indeed exported as $rq
20:15 < Wombert> ah
20:15 < Wombert> erisco: heh well
20:15 < Wombert> those default actions do not use layouts
20:15 < Wombert> they build layers and their renderers by hand
20:15 < Wombert> the reason is
20:15 < Wombert> that people tend to switch to smarty or so
20:15 < Wombert> and do not rename the default stuff
20:15 < Wombert> which then stops working
20:16 < Wombert> it's just those couple ones... secure, unavialable, moduledisabled, error404
20:16 < erisco> so how do I debug it
20:17 < Wombert> in the view
20:17 < Wombert> throw out the stuff and just do $this->setupHtml()
20:17 < Wombert> that should work then
20:18 < Wombert> can you show me your routing.xml
20:18 < Wombert> man I feel like crap. I gotta hit the sack soon
20:18 < erisco> Array ( [0] => testimonials )
20:19  * _cheerios high fives digitarald
20:19 < erisco> sorry, Array ( [0] => testimonial [1] => testimonial.list )
20:19 < Wombert> that means that route matched
20:19 < erisco> which must be the problem
20:19 < Wombert> ok
20:19 < Wombert> can you show your routing.xml
20:19 < Wombert> nah don't think so
20:20 < erisco> oh, its showing the names, not the action
20:20 < erisco> okay then...
20:20 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87140
20:21 < Wombert> so do you have a modules/Public/actions/Testimonials/ListAction.class.php ?
20:21 < erisco> yes
20:21 < Wombert> and the name of the class in there?
20:21 < erisco> oh, wait
20:22 < erisco> its just List.class.php, not ListAction.class.php ;)
20:22 < Wombert> :>>
20:22  * erisco sighs
20:22 < _cheerios> this is why you use the agavi cmd ;)
20:22 < Wombert> yup
20:22 < erisco> the agavi command does not organize into sub directories does it?
20:22 < Wombert> you really should ^^
20:22 < Wombert> of coruseit does!
20:22 < erisco> well I already had a working action
20:22 < erisco> I wasn't going to rewrite it
20:22 < Wombert> btw
20:22 < erisco> it needed renaming
20:23 < Wombert>             <route name="testimonial" pattern="^/testimonial" module="Public" action="Testimonials">
20:23 < Wombert>                 <route name=".list" pattern="^s$" action=".List" />
20:23 < Wombert>             </route>
20:23 < Wombert> works, too
20:23 < erisco> ah, cool
20:23 < erisco> thanks
20:23 < Wombert> for action and name attributes
20:23 < Wombert> you _can_ specify action="..." on the unanchored pattern here
20:24 < Wombert> because it's just a folder, not a real action
20:29 < erisco> thanks Wombert
20:35 < erisco> alright, so just to get this straight, when taking input from a form it is done from the input view?
20:38 < erisco> I mean, you show them the Input template?
20:38 < erisco> with the form on it?
20:38 < erisco> gah, I know I had this discussion before
20:38 < erisco> I should have saved it
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20:54 < Wombert> yeah
20:56 < erisco> okay. and when the validation is sour, I just direct back to the Input (not the error) and FPF will repopulate
20:57 < Wombert> no
20:57 < Wombert> well FPF will repopulate on a post request, by default
20:57 < Wombert> if validation fails
20:57 < Wombert> agavi calls your action#s handleError() method
20:57 < Wombert> or handleWriteError() on a post request, if such a method exists
20:58 < Wombert> that by default just returns "Error"
20:58 < Wombert> so it goes to the error view
20:58 < Wombert> which is okay
20:58 < erisco> but I want them to try again, so I tell it Input?
20:58 < Wombert> in the error view, you should then grab the content layer after loading the layout, and tell it to use the input template
20:58 < erisco> yikes, how do I grab a layer?
20:58 < Wombert> nah, I recommend you use Input and Error views
20:59 < Wombert> after $this->setupHtml() (if you have that)
20:59 < Wombert> the layers defined in the default layout are loaded
20:59 < Wombert> note how setupHtml() is not an agavi method, but defined in userspace
20:59 < Wombert> in your BaseView
20:59 < Wombert> it simply does loadLayout()
20:59 < Wombert> so after that
21:00 < Wombert> you do $this->getLayer('content')->setTemplate('Testimonials/ListInput');
21:00 < Wombert> for instance
21:00 < erisco> ah
21:02 < erisco> now just to add validators and should be good
21:23 < erisco> how is the validation file supposed to be named?
21:23 < erisco> for Testimonials/AddAction?
21:25 < _cheerios> keep sample app in mind while devvin
21:26 < erisco> I cannot see any example of that in the test app
21:28 < erisco> _cheerios, I have a ListAction "organized" in a Testimonials directory
21:28 < erisco> so what do I call the validation file?
21:28 < erisco> I tried calling it Testimonials_Add.xml
21:28 < erisco> ((Sorry, I mean it is AddAction))
21:28 < erisco> and I tried Testimonials/Add.xml
21:29 < erisco> neither are read
21:33 < erisco> I'll have to use the php then
21:33 < erisco> although I prefer not to
21:34 < _cheerios> samples app has validate and cache examples, they work all the same
21:34 < erisco> the sample app does not have subdirectories for its actions
21:34 < erisco> that is what I am asking about
21:34 < erisco> I do not know how to name the validation file
21:34 < _cheerios> its all the same, a subdir has its own cache/validate folder
21:35 < erisco> it does?
21:35 < erisco> what kind of messed up organization is that??\
21:36 < erisco> that doesn't make sense... it is using two different structures
21:37 < erisco> I mean look at this... if you have an action called "Foo" you can find the associated files as such:
21:37 < erisco> module/actions/FooAction.class.php, module/views/FooSuccessView.class.php, module/templates/FooSuccess.php
21:37 < erisco> and if Foo is in a subdirectory "Bar" you can still find everything at the expected location
21:38 < erisco> module/actions/Bar/FooAction.class.php, module/views/Bar/FooSuccessView.class.php, etc
21:38 < erisco> so why the hell is it all of a sudden for cache and validation
21:38 < erisco> module/actions/Bar/cache/
21:38 < erisco> and not
21:38 < erisco> module/cache/Bar/ ??
21:39 < _cheerios> yup, and module/cache/Bar/Foo.xml and module/validate/bar/Foo.xml
21:39 < erisco> unless I am totally not getting you
21:39 < erisco> but that is what I have
21:39 < erisco> I tried module/cache/Testimonials/Add.xml
21:40 < _cheerios> and why do you believe its not working
21:40 < erisco> because I can throw garbage into the validation file and it doesn't crash
21:41 < erisco> oh damn, wait, THAT dumb thing again
21:41 < erisco> you MUST have an execute method...
21:43 < erisco> okay, now I just have something else going wrong
21:45 < erisco> everything seems okay except that the validators don't bring me to the error view
21:45 < erisco> so they must have never failed
21:45 < erisco> but the input IS in valid
21:56 < erisco> not sure what I missed in the sample app, but FPF is not filling in my form after submission
21:57 < erisco> the handleError() method is called
21:58 < erisco> the error view grabs the content layer and says to populate it with the input form
21:58 < erisco> just like Wombert said and the sample app does
21:58 < erisco> but no repopulation is done of my form :(
21:58 < erisco> is it not compatible or something?
22:00 < Wombert> your global_filters.xml
22:00 < Wombert> does it have the FPF
22:00 < Wombert> is it enabled?
22:00 < erisco> ah! one thing the docs say is that the action must be equal to the current page'
22:00 < erisco> s url
22:01 < erisco> perfect :)
22:01 < Wombert> if it is not
22:01 < erisco> the action was unintentionally blank, I forgot to echo the generated url
22:01 < Wombert> you could still instruct the FPF to work on a specific form
22:02 < erisco> I'm listening
22:02 < Wombert> mind you that you can also pre-populate a form
22:02 < Wombert> first, extend your base view
22:02 < Wombert> in initialize
22:02 < Wombert> assign the request and other stuff as members
22:02 < Wombert> $this->rq
22:02 < Wombert> $this->ro (routing)
22:02 < Wombert> etc
22:02 < Wombert> makes things more convenient in the views
22:02 < Wombert> ideally, you generate all urls in the view, not in the template, but that's up to you
22:03 < Wombert> $this->rq->setAttribute('populate', false, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:03 < Wombert> name, value, namespace
22:03 < Wombert> the FPF reads that info later when it runs
22:03 < Wombert> this one above prevents it from running at all
22:03 < Wombert> $this->rq->setAttribute('populate', true, 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:03 < Wombert> enforces running
22:04 < Wombert> with the defaults, i.e. it looks for a form where the action is identical to the current URL
22:04 < Wombert> could be done, for instance, on a "read" (GET) request, if FPF if configured to only automatically run on write (POST)
22:04 < Wombert> (which is a good default you should keep)
22:05 < Wombert> $this->rq->setAttribute('populate', new AgaviRequestDataHolder(array('foo' => 'bar')), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:05 < Wombert> in an input view
22:05 < Wombert> populates the current url's form
22:05 < Wombert> field foo, value bar
22:06 < Wombert> $this->rq->setAttribute('populate', array('formid' => new AgaviRequestDataHolder(array('foo' => 'bar'))), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:06 < Wombert> populates the form by ID
22:06 < Wombert> so in your example, if the form had the "wrong" action, but an id, you could do
22:06 < Wombert> $this->rq->setAttribute('populate', array('formid' => true), 'org.agavi.filter.FormPopulationFilter');
22:06 < Wombert> to tell FPF to run with the current request data (= true) on form with id "formid"
22:08 < erisco> now one other thing that I would like to ask, how do you get the errors messages populated as well?
22:08 < Wombert> it can re-populate arbitrary fields... checkboxes... select boxes... it understands arrays etc
22:08 < Wombert> okay
22:08 < Wombert> that is a tad more complicated
22:09 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.1RC3/samples/app/config/global_filters.xml
22:11 < Wombert> the general idea is
22:11 < Wombert> you define xpath rules
22:11 < Wombert> that are applied to the erroneous fields
22:11 < Wombert> you use them to find a location in the document... for example. the parent element of the field
22:13 < Wombert> and then the markup you define is inserted at a certain location (before, after or as a child of the node that was found by the xpath expression)
22:14 < erisco> Wombert, not much more complicated
22:14 < erisco> Wombert, although what if you have certain needs per form basis
22:14 < Wombert> you can
22:15 < Wombert> a) define special rules using the xpaths... e.g. one just for a checkbox field "foo" in a form with id "lulz"
22:15 < Wombert> b) define rules at runtime
22:16 < _cheerios> claaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaire
22:16 < erisco> Wombert, is xpath the "name" attribute?
22:19 < erisco> Wombert, I just don't quite follow where the special xpath rules go
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22:20 < Wombert> you mean at runtime?
22:21 < erisco> nah
22:21 < erisco> in the global_filters.xml
22:21 < erisco> for example my forms right now are built as tables
22:21 < erisco> but perhaps a certain form needs to be made with divs
22:21 < Wombert> ok
22:21 < Wombert> well you could have two sets of rules then
22:22 < Wombert> e.g.
22:22 < Wombert> input[ancestor::form[@class='tableform']]...
22:22 < Wombert> etc
22:22 < Wombert> so you use xpath to check which form it is
22:22 < Wombert> and have two sets of rules
22:22 < Wombert> or
22:23 < Wombert> you add a rule at runtime, in your error view (another example why you should have error and input views)
22:23 < erisco> ohh
22:23 < erisco>  	                <parameter name="parent::${htmlnsPrefix}td">
22:23 < erisco> that is xpath? I see
22:23 < Wombert> yes
22:23 < erisco> just haven't seen parent:: in xpath before
22:23 < Wombert> ${htmlnsPrefix} is explained in the comment above
22:23 < erisco> I know some xpath, not all apparently :P
22:24 < Wombert> if its an xhtml document with <html xmlns="http://w3.org/1999/xhtml">
22:24 < Wombert> then all the nodes are in an xml namespace
22:24 < Wombert> and parent::td would not work
22:24 < Wombert> that's why it registers the namespace in xpath
22:24 < erisco> ah
22:24 < Wombert> and ${htmlnsPrefix} is "html:"
22:24 < Wombert> including the colon
22:24 < erisco> well I never use xhtml, so I'll have to worry less about that
22:24 < Wombert> you could also write parent::html:td
22:25 < Wombert> mind you that libxml is a _bit_ buggy at times when parsing html
22:25 < Wombert> it should be somewhat valid
22:25 < erisco> you mean well-formed?
22:26 < Wombert> and well formed, yea
22:41 < erisco> Wombert, if you want to validate that many fields are not empty, you create an isnotempty validator for each one?
22:44 < Wombert> you can also add many <argument>s to a validator
22:44 < Wombert> or use an array
22:44 < Wombert> others might be able to help you with this; I really gotta hit the sack now
22:45 < erisco> alrighty
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23:29 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87157
23:29 < erisco> I get really weird results with FPF
23:29 < erisco> it runs both the isnotempty validator and the string validator (for name and message) and both return false
23:30 < erisco> the isnotempty message is outputted fine, but the string validator's message is not!
23:30 < erisco> instead it just shows up at <li> and breaks the source :(
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23:31 < erisco> and the isnotempty validator has nothing to do with it, I can take it out and it still happens
23:31 < erisco> when the input is empty the string validator, or something, causes just an <li> tag to be spit out
23:32 < erisco> I'm ready to file a bug, but anyone have feedback?
23:36 < erisco> especially on how to fix it...
23:37 < erisco> 		// we don't need to do any checking here because validate will only be
23:37 < erisco> 		// called when all values it needs were non empty.
23:38 < erisco> that is in the isnotempty validator
23:38 < erisco> so what I am gathering is that the validator is not even called if the argument is blank. well, okay
23:38 < erisco> so the bug must be in FPF or something else
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23:55 < erisco> MikeSeth, MikeSeth_, you there?
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00:11 < erisco> man, is anyone here?
00:11 < erisco> I am having a lot of problems with the FPF and validations
00:11 < erisco> heck, when am I not having problems :P
00:30 < Wombert> erisco: heh
00:30 < Wombert> well
00:30 < Wombert> you have two errors there
00:30 < Wombert> for min and max
00:30 < Wombert> but no generic <error> if the argument was not given
00:30 < Wombert> change <error for="min"> to <error> and it'll be fine
00:31 < Wombert> and don't forget the xml namespace in <configuration>
00:33 < erisco> Wombert, the xml namespace in <configuration>? I don't understand
00:35 < erisco> Wombert, well... what if I don't want to run the second validator if the first one fails?
00:35 < erisco> wait, I can use the oroperator thingie with the break parameter...
00:36 < erisco> or not? :S
00:36 < erisco> ah, wait, or is the wrong logic
00:36 < Wombert> you can have dependencies
00:37 < erisco> needs to be And :)
00:37 < Wombert> <validator ... provides="foo_was_good">
00:37 < erisco> Wombert, dependencies? hmm...
00:37 < Wombert> <validator ... depends="foo_was_good">
00:37 < Wombert> you can provide and depend many args
00:37 < erisco> well using the And operator did work, but
00:37 < Wombert> space separated list
00:37 < erisco> where is foo_was_good set?
00:38 < Wombert> in "provides"
00:38 < erisco> oh, okay
00:38 < Wombert> it's just a random string
00:38 < Wombert> <configurations xmlns="http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config">
00:39 < Wombert> it still works without a namespace, but won't anymore in 1.0
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00:40 < erisco> ah okay
00:40 < erisco> and this should be in all xml files I presume?
00:40 < erisco> that uses <configurations> ?
00:41 < erisco> Wombert, now if I wanted to escape all html characters in my inputs, would I write something like HtmlescapeValidator and pass it all of my input arguments?
00:41 < erisco> the docs said validators could be used for normalization
00:45 < Wombert> yeah, for instance
00:46 < Wombert> simpyl export() the value again
00:46 < Wombert> *simply
00:46 < Wombert> this whole validation system can be pretty frustrating
00:46 < Wombert> granted, other frameworks can't even validate arrays or have dependencies or whatever, but still
00:47 < Wombert> obscure at times
00:47 < Wombert> I really gotta hit the sack now erisco 
00:47 < Wombert> and try and get some sleep
00:47 < erisco> :P
00:47 < Wombert> any quick questions?
00:47 < erisco> please do
00:47 < erisco> yeah
00:47 < Wombert> shoot
00:47 < erisco> how to unify validations among the application?
00:47 < Wombert> reuse, you mean?
00:47 < erisco> yes
00:47 < Wombert> you can use xincludes
00:48 < Wombert> or the "parent" feature
00:48 < erisco> where do the validation files reside then?
00:48 < Wombert> <configuration xmlns="..." parent="%core.config_dir%/validate/_base1.xml" />
00:48 < Wombert> whereever you like
00:48 < erisco> are xincludes something I can look up?
00:48 < Wombert> the one above simply merges two files
00:48 < Wombert> xincludes are more granular and allow for more control
00:48 < erisco> I need more control, because things are varying
00:49 < Wombert> the sample app has an example of an xinclude, but only in a local file
00:49 < Wombert> i.e. the href="..." is missing
00:49 < erisco> a login form only has a username and password
00:49 < erisco> but a form to edit a user has everything
00:49 < Wombert> you can use %core.blah% in xinclude hrefs, too, agavi will expand them before resolving the xincludes
00:49 < erisco> so what will the tag look like in example?
00:49 < Wombert> xincludes also allow you to only include parts of the document with xpointers
00:50 < erisco> xpointers.. yay :P
00:50 < erisco> so I could have validation file describing ALL of the "user" table fields
00:50 < Wombert> <xi:include xmlns:xi="http://w3.org/1998/XInclude" href="%core.config_dir%/validatebase1.xml" xpointer="...." />
00:50 < erisco> and then only pick out certain ones?
00:50 < Wombert> not sure if the namespace is correct
00:50 < Wombert> could, yeah
00:50 < Wombert> note that agavi also supports a <sandbox> element
00:50 < erisco> okay, but this is w3c stuff then, xinclude and xpointer
00:50 < Wombert> inside <configurations>
00:51 < Wombert> yup
00:51 < erisco> I can look it up then I am sure
00:51 < erisco> thanks for your help Wombert
00:51 < Wombert> you can use that to store arbitrary xml and include it in the same file with xincludes
00:51 < Wombert> if you need to reuse inside one file
00:51 < erisco> as a template or something?
00:51 < Wombert> the sample app does that with the stupid html/xhtml output type example (which is utter bs and must be eliminated)
00:51 < Wombert> yes, pretty much
00:51 < erisco> I saw that in the CRUD example posted earlier
00:51 < Wombert> exactly
00:52 < Wombert> are you using windows?
00:52 < erisco> no
00:52 < Wombert> ko
00:52 < Wombert> ok
00:52 < Wombert> ( http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/WTF#ExceptionConfigurationfileC:UsersJoeCoolworkspaceagavi0.11.0RC5srcroutingsoapwsdl.xmlcouldnotbeparsedduetothefollowingerrorthatoccuredwhileresolvingXIncludedirectives:Line3:failedbuildURLorotherconfigurationfilepathsespeciallyoutput_types.xml )
00:52 < erisco> quite a url there
00:53 < Wombert> so
00:53 < erisco> well, good thing I am not using window
00:53 < erisco> not that I put spaces in path names
00:53 < Wombert> any major gripes yet with agavi
00:53 < erisco> none
00:53 < Wombert> stuff you hate, stuff you love?
00:53 < erisco> except docs ;)
00:53 < Wombert> heh
00:53 < erisco> but you guys let me bug you, so, its all good
00:53 < erisco> and I'm greatly appreciative
00:54 < erisco> I hit walls, but its because I simply do not know how to do something with agavi
00:54 < erisco> not that agavi cannot do it
00:54 < erisco> I love the way things are structured... and I love the options
00:54 < erisco> you can seemingly do nearly anything from any file... such little constraint, its nice
00:54 < saracen_> I'm actually prefering the lack of documentation now. The main reason I never decided to use a framework before, was because I wanted to know exactly what was going on behind the scenes. Because I have to check the agavi code to figure a lot of the stuff out, I kind of get that =)
00:55 < erisco> Wombert, the only thing I dislike is the action file structure
00:56 < erisco> instead of module/actions/FooAction.class.php and module/views/FooSuccessView.class.php and such
00:56 < Wombert> you're not alone
00:56 < Wombert> it should be
00:56 < Wombert> modules/Yellow/Sub/Marine/Action.class.php
00:56 < Wombert> modules/Yellow/Sub/Marine/SuccessView.class.php
00:56 < Wombert> etc
00:56 < erisco> yes
00:56 < Wombert> sth like that
00:56 < Wombert> that's actually mojavi legacy the way it is
00:56 < erisco> so you would have module/Foo/actions/WhateverAction.class.php and module/Foo/views/WhateverSuccessView.class.php
00:56 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/ticket/668
00:57 < saracen_> I don't like that I have to add: set_include_path(get_include_path() . PATH_SEPARATOR . AgaviConfig::get('core.app_dir'). '/lib/propel'); to my config.php to get propel working :P
00:57 < erisco> I use Doctrine :)
00:57 < Wombert> not much I can do about that frankly, saracen_ ;)
00:57 < erisco> takes even more setup than that though... not much
00:57 < Wombert> gotta set up your include paths _somewhere_!
00:57 < erisco> Doctrine has actually been a lot easier with agavi, for whatever reason
00:57 < erisco> seems less clunky
00:58 < saracen_> Wombert: I would prefer if you could set the include paths in a configuration file.
00:58 < Wombert> saracen_: what if you want stuff from the include path before a config file is read
00:58 < Wombert> or you need it to compile a config file
00:58 < Wombert> or or or or
00:58 < Wombert> :/
00:58 < saracen_> bleh :P
00:58 < Wombert> <:
00:58 < erisco> Wombert, that is what I enjoy the most... agavi solves many of those "ors"
00:58 < erisco> the config files are so flexible :)
00:58 < Wombert> well
00:59 < Wombert> or we say "we don't solve it" :p
00:59 < Wombert> because there are too many options
00:59 < Wombert> but yeah. in general, we've tried to not lock people in, and to think ahead a bit
00:59 < Wombert> this environments/contexts thing has been the biggest home run in framework history, I'm telling you
00:59 < erisco> another thing I dislike is that you cannot add autoload directories (or at least I do not know how)
00:59 < Wombert> that idea was inspired by a long time user, jake
01:00 < erisco> like instead of typing out every single validator class to autoload it'd be nice just to specify the validator directory
01:00 < saracen_> Could "integrate" it a little more, AgaviConfig::set('propel.models'', AgaviConfig::get('core.lib_dir') . '/propel');
01:00 < Wombert> saracen_: aaaaaaaaaah nooooooo
01:00 < Wombert> why does the _registry_ need to know an entry about _propel_
01:00 < Wombert> nono
01:01 < Wombert> erisco: the usual recommendation would be to write your own autoloader and registering it
01:01 < Wombert> should take you ~5 lines of code, and then it suits your needs
01:01 < Wombert> we've thought about this quite often but in the end, there's a million possibilities
01:01 < Wombert> you want underscores in your class names, and each underscore is a new directory
01:01 < Wombert> I want camelcase
01:01 < saracen_> Bah, it just looks untidy. Would just be nice if when I told my application i'm using propel, it could do this for me =(
01:01 < erisco> ah, I see
01:02 < Wombert> saracen_ wants camelcase, but not the first segment, which is a prefix
01:02 < Wombert> and my little brother wants camelcase, but in reverse order in the filesystem
01:02 < Wombert> and then it just gets out of hand too quickly
01:02 < Wombert> not worth the issue given how a custom autoloader is super easy to write
01:02 < saracen_> Actually, I don't like camelcase =(
01:03 < erisco> CamelSpaceSavesBandwidth
01:03 < erisco> Case*:(
01:03 < saracen_> Why are all IRC loggers so useless. They concentrate on statistics, rather than an easier way of finding things
01:04 < Wombert> alright then folks
01:04 < Wombert> see you tomorrow
01:04 < saracen_> night
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01:30 < Hamerr> good night to all 
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08:07 < marklar|omni> hai
08:11 < marklar|omni> got ssh working on crackberry
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08:36 < _cheerios> huomenta
09:04 < MikeSeth_> god dammit
09:13 < marklar|omni> sup
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09:52 < Hamerr> huomenta 
09:54 < _cheerios> is ironman watchable? imdb + rotten tomatoes ratings are sky high.
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11:23 < marklar|omni> meh
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11:40 < selloso> Hi together, I'd like to use trac for my software project because of its features to connect the tickets with the revisions of svn. So I'm lookin for a german web hoster which provides a package including subversion and python support. Can anybody give me a hint?
11:45 < selloso> of course, I already asked a search engine but the Agavi Project Team also uses trac. So there's a chance anybody has experiences whit this kind of situation
11:51 < _cheerios> find a cheap vps/dedicated and setup all you need
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12:05 < selloso> yeah, okay
12:06 < selloso> found some :)
12:06 < selloso> til next time
12:06 < selloso> bye
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12:16 < nfq> yo Wombert , how are #agavi irc logs generated?
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12:25 < MikeSeth> nfq: one of the bots writes them, ask ttj_ I think
12:25 < Wombert> Chuckwalla
12:25 < Wombert> an irssi session that writes the logs
12:25 < Wombert> nfq: you might wanna check out www.campfirenow.com
12:26 < Wombert> in other news
12:26 < Wombert> I'm pondering using S3 for backups...
12:30 < nfq> Wombert: thanks!
12:30 < nfq> what's S3?
12:30 < nfq> ah, for IRC?
12:30 < nfq> Time Machine for local stuff right?
12:30 < Wombert> amazon.com/s3
12:30 < nfq> ah
12:30 < Wombert> nah
12:30 < Wombert> for... well... backups :)
12:31 < Wombert> time machine backup won't help me if there is a fire
12:31 < Wombert> or burglary
12:31 < Wombert> or whatever
12:32 < ttj_> nfq, MikeSeth: I no longer have anything to do with the logs. :-)
12:32 < nfq> ttj_: thanks! 
12:33 < nfq> Wombert: I see, somewhere on the ether .. makes sense
12:34 < nfq> Wombert: how does Chuckwalla work?
12:35 < Wombert> it's just an irssi client
12:35 < Wombert> that logs
12:36 < ttj_> Open an irssi instance and say something like /log open -targets #agavi ~/public_html/logs/agavi-%Y%m.log
12:38 < Wombert> there you go. I don't have a clue how it's done, tbh
12:38 < Wombert> ttj_ to the rescue
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12:38 < ttj_> Well, /help log will also get you fairly well on the way and tell you plenty about everything. :-)
12:39 < nfq> ttj_: thanks!!
12:39 < ttj_> No problemo.
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13:25 < erisco> well, everything was going well... the include worked, but all my xpointers fail and I do not understand why
13:26 < erisco> let me pastebin my xml files
13:27 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87193
13:27 < erisco> there is the file I am including
13:27 < MikeSeth> ttj_: noted
13:28 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87194
13:28 < erisco> and there is the file that includes
13:28 < erisco> all the xpointers fail
13:28 < erisco> oh, and if anyone knows the variable for just the project root that'd be great... I am doing %core.lib_dir%/../  :P
13:29 < erisco> oh, and in the other xincludes, you will see I don't have the "testimonial" element in them
13:29 < erisco> ignore that
13:30 < erisco> when I look at the CRUD example here: http://p.caboo.se/191041
13:30 < erisco> I presume the xpointers work fine. I just don't know where mine went wrong!
13:32 < erisco> I'll go ask in #web too
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13:44 < erisco> man, I cannot get ANY xpointer to work
13:44 < erisco> even something extremely basic
13:44 < erisco> wtf am I doing wrong :s
13:45 < MikeSeth> hmmm
13:45 < MikeSeth> you should really ask Wombert 
13:46 < erisco> I'll wait till Wombert gets on
13:46 < erisco> what I'm trying to do is keep my database model validations in a single spot for all modules, MikeSeth
13:53 < MikeSeth> I have these inside the ORM classes themselves
13:54 < erisco> really? how do you make that work with the validators then?
13:55 < erisco> man... even the example CRUD routing.. the xpointers fail :s
13:56 < MikeSeth> I have normally two layers
13:56 < MikeSeth> one is db layer validation 
13:56 < MikeSeth> which is just for safety and triggers exception
13:57 < MikeSeth> and action level validation
13:57 < MikeSeth> which is in line with the normal application flow
13:58 < Wombert> what/how/where
13:58 < Wombert> erisco: the xpointer includes a "configuration" element
13:59 < Wombert> but what you need to include is "{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}configurations}"
13:59 < Wombert> i.e. the namespace is missing
13:59 < erisco> *whoosh*
13:59 < erisco> where do I stick that
13:59 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/browser/tags/0.11.1RC3/samples/app/config/output_types.xml#L52
14:00 < erisco> oh, I see
14:00 < erisco> let me try that :)
14:02 < erisco> awesome, thanks Wombert
14:02 < erisco> XML can be rather puzzling at times...
14:04 < Wombert> dell = epic fail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacobgordon/2455618195/in/photostream/
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14:06 < erisco> Wombert, wow, lmao
14:07 < ttj_> Haha. :P
14:10 < erisco> Wombert, will it work to include an xml file and then make pointers as if it was part of the current file?
14:10 < erisco> or will I continually need to href it?
14:11 < Wombert> no, the xpointers in xinclude work on the structure of the included file itself
14:12 < Wombert> you could include the file at the top and then have more xinclude elements where you need them, referencing that included portion (<sandbox> or whatever)
14:12 < Wombert> also note the possiblity to use a "parent" file exists, too, and might be more convenient in this situation
14:13 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87195
14:13 < erisco> the rest of the xpointers fail
14:13 < erisco> but the include does work to get Testimonial.xml in there
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14:18 < erisco> Wombert, not when I have multiple models to validate
14:18 < erisco> which WILL happen
14:20 < erisco> if I put the href in each one it works
14:20 < Wombert> %core.lib_dir%/../validate/Testimonial.xml
14:20 < Wombert> not sure if that is a good dir structure :>
14:20 < Wombert> I'd only put classes inside lib/
14:20 < erisco> it isn't in lib
14:21 < erisco> I don't know the variable for the project directory, so I used the lib directory and moved up one
14:21 < Wombert> ewwww
14:21 < Wombert> don't do that :/
14:21 < Wombert> it should be somewhere in app/
14:21 < Wombert> app/config/validate/* is what I'd use
14:21 < erisco> I am using app/validate
14:22 < Wombert> ah
14:22 < Wombert> %core.app_dir%
14:22 < Wombert> http://trac.agavi.org/wiki/ConfigurationDirectives
14:23 < erisco> thanks
14:24 < erisco> I hope it caches Testimonial.xml or something
14:24 < erisco> some of these validators will need to include a dozen or so fields
14:24 < Wombert> of course. it resolves xincludes, the compiles the config (as it does with all configs)
14:24 < erisco> well yes, when debug is off
14:24 < Wombert> just mind you that if you modify Testimonial.xml, agavi won't be able to recognize that (obviously)
14:24 < Wombert> so you need debug off
14:25 < Wombert> err debug on
14:25 < Wombert> because it can only check for modifications to the validation file itself, not those that are included there
14:26 < erisco> yes
14:27 < erisco> but I mean when the parser is doing the actual includes
14:27 < erisco> I apparently cannot include Testimonial.xml once and then reference it with xpointers
14:27 < erisco> I have to continually include it and pick out parts of it
14:38 < Wombert> ah
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14:38 < Wombert> hm but weird
14:38 < Wombert> isn't _cheerios doing exactly that in his example
14:44 < erisco> doing exactly what?
14:44 < erisco> in the CRUD example? no, he never includes an external xml file
14:46 < Wombert> hm works for me
14:46 < Wombert> Line 35: Element '{http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config}sandbox': This element is not expected.
14:46 < Wombert> just tried it
14:47 < Wombert> what libxml version do you have?
14:47 < erisco> ... how does that "work"?
14:47 < Wombert> might be a libxml bug
14:47 < Wombert> 	<sandbox>
14:47 < Wombert> 		<xi:include href="%core.config_dir%/databases.xml" xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config) xpointer(/a:configurations/a:configuration)"/>
14:47 < Wombert> 	</sandbox>
14:47 < Wombert> 		<xi:include xpointer="xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config) xpointer(/a:configurations/a:sandbox)"/>
14:47 < Wombert> further downthen
14:47 < Wombert> works
14:47 < Wombert> gives me the validation warning above, which means it included it :)
14:50 < erisco> http://pastey.net/87200
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14:50 < erisco> that is the file I am including... how would you include it? I've tried :s
14:50 < Wombert> are you getting any error message or something?
14:51 < erisco> yes, all the xpointers fail
14:51 < Wombert> ah
14:51 < Wombert> look
14:51 < Wombert> you're including the <sandbox> element
14:51 < Wombert> which then sits inside the <sandbox>
14:52 < Wombert> add /*
14:52 < Wombert> to the first one
14:53 < erisco>         <xi:include href="%core.app_dir%/validate/Testimonial.xml" xpointer=
14:53 < erisco>           "xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config)
14:53 < erisco>           xpointer(/a:configurations/a:sandbox/*)"
14:53 < erisco>         />
14:53 < erisco> all the rest of the xpointers still fail
14:53 < erisco> like this one...
14:53 < erisco>         <xi:include xpointer=
14:53 < erisco>           "xmlns(a=http://agavi.org/agavi/1.0/config)
14:53 < erisco>           xpointer(/a:configurations/a:sandbox/a:testimonial/a:name/a:validator)"
14:53 < erisco>         />
14:54 < Wombert> or remove the <sandbox>
14:54 < MikeSeth> woot, you can resolve runtime config values in xpointer instructions?!
14:54  * MikeSeth hugs Agavi
14:54 < erisco> same thing
14:55 < Wombert> MikeSeth: only in the top level one
14:55 < Wombert> xincludes automatically process recursively
14:55 < Wombert> we have no control over that
14:55 < Wombert> so if an xinclude includes another... no dice
14:55 < Wombert> erisco: show your configs again
14:55 < erisco> libxml Version 	2.6.30
14:55 < Wombert> and can you pleaaaaase post the error message you're getting
14:56 < erisco> damn... tired of pasting them... have to keep typing in the domain names backwards and count them :s
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14:56 < _cheerios> hmm, just tried it. yeah, full of errors. but it works after tweaking a bit :)
14:57 < _cheerios> sample routing.xml http://p.caboo.se/191356
14:57 < erisco> http://pastebin.ca/1007003
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15:00 < Wombert> remove the <sandbox> there
15:00 < Wombert> and include it straight from the other file
15:00 < Wombert> does that work?
15:00 < Wombert> maybe your libxml has a problem with /*
15:00 < erisco> no xpointer you mean?
15:00 < Wombert> what's the error you're getting?
15:00 < Wombert> no
15:01 < Wombert> put the <xi:include> right into the <configurations> element
15:01 < Wombert> not inside a <sandbox>
15:01 < Wombert> and then include the <sandbox> element from the other file
15:01 < erisco> yes, of course, but take out the xpointer?
15:01 < erisco> oh, alright
15:01 < erisco> not the first time though
15:01 < erisco> still errors... I don't think they are different. I will pastebin
15:02 < erisco> http://pastebin.ca/1007008
15:03 < erisco> on a side note... I need to start doing CRUD work. To define the basic functionality should I create a set of classes to extend from like ProjectBaseCrudAction, etc?
15:04 < Wombert> _what_ errors please
15:04 < Wombert> ah there they are
15:05 < erisco> I've been telling you the errors in both http://pastebin.ca/1007003 and http://pastebin.ca/1007008
15:05 < Wombert> yeah sorry
15:05 < erisco> no problem
15:06 < Wombert> funny
15:06 < Wombert> Line 18: could not load /var/www/tck/app/modules/Public/validate/Testimonials/Add.xml, and no fallback was found
15:06 < Wombert> that would be a bug
15:06 < Wombert> could you try adding 
15:06 < Wombert> href="#"
15:07 < Wombert> to those?
15:07 < erisco> Line 18: could not load /var/www/tck/app/modules/Public/validate/Testimonials/Add.xml#, and no fallback was found
15:09 < Wombert> XInclude fragment of own document (Chris Ryan)
15:09 < Wombert> is a bugfix in libxml 2.6.32
15:09 < Wombert> hmm
15:09 < erisco> mine is .30
15:10 < erisco> can I be bothered to try and upgrade it is the question
15:10 < erisco> I've always just waited for the ubuntu repo to catch up
15:12 < erisco> *shrug* I'll just wait
15:13 < erisco> until then I'll include the document over and over :P
15:15 < erisco> one thing I do not understand in the example: 		# 1. find out Model we are dealing with, eg. Products/Promotions, in BaseAction
15:15 < erisco> 		$model = new $this->modelName;
15:15 < erisco> how is this obtained? the model name?
15:19 < _cheerios> depends, eg. $mr = $rq->getAttribute('matched_routes', 'org.agavi.routing'); echo $mr[0]; would return products when you browse to /products/add
15:19 < erisco> I see
15:20 < erisco> I want to aim for a more robust system... one that will allow me to extend it if necessary
15:20 < erisco> so I think I should definitely define base classes for the crud actions and views
15:21 < erisco> although the templates will be bizarre
15:23 < erisco> meh, its a mess anyways
15:23 < erisco> perhaps I should just forget about abstracted logic and just write them
15:24 < erisco> I'll end up overriding most of everything anyhow
15:24 < erisco> its not consistent
15:25 < erisco> or maybe it is, and I am not thinking of it correctly... but for example the "litter" CRUD is entirely unique because you need an interface to add dogs
15:26 < erisco> which, okay, somehow slot the dog edit action... but where is that specified? well you've gotta override the action, the view, and the template
15:26 < erisco> how do the rest of you guys do CRUD?
15:27 < erisco> I guess I'm just trying to seek a comfortable level of automation
15:28 < erisco> ultimately what'd be awesome is just being able to edit my database schema and having everything from validations to forms to scaffolding automatically change
15:28 < erisco> because it'd be possible...
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15:31 < erisco> I mean, really, all the form fields can be automatically discovered
15:32 < erisco> the rudimentary validations can be added... min and max lengths, obvious database type format validations (like datetime)
15:33 < erisco> now we are getting into the idea of "helpers" for the html forms but it isn't that "boxed in"
15:34 < v-dogg> huomenta
15:34 < erisco> essentially: From the Doctrine models I should be able to add all required validations, and I must have the ability to extend upon those for ones that cannot be detected
15:35 < erisco> essentially: From the field definitions I should be able to detect what input type I need
15:36 < erisco> and then from that building some abstracted crud logic should make more sense
15:36 < erisco> will keeping things extensible when required... just like the rest of Agavi
15:37 < erisco> so imma gunna work on that and in the end, after bugging you guys for hours on end with my problems, will have an awesome robust system
15:38 < erisco> and I'll share :) we'll complete _cheerios's sample
15:47 < erisco> heh
15:47 < erisco> 11.3.2.1. Sample registerReadValidators() (does the same as the XML above)
15:47 < erisco> public function registerWriteValidators()
15:48 < erisco> 11.3.3. validate(), validateRead(), validateWrite()
15:48 < erisco> okay, that means I can incorporate the ORM's validators, nice
15:48 < erisco> but one huuuuge issue remains
15:48 < erisco> how do you specify the error messages? Doctrine's validation has no concept of error messages... and using registerValidators() doesn't allow any sort of configuration of error messages
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15:49 < erisco> I mean I see this:   $errors = array('' => 'The username you supplied is less than 4 characters.');
15:49 < erisco> but that is just a hard-coded string
15:50 < erisco> and if this is to be extensible then that is not acceptable...
15:52 < erisco> perhaps I should just write a validator that bridges over to Doctrine
15:55 < erisco> but even in doing so where the error messages are defined isn't solved
15:55 < erisco> Wombert, do you have any suggestions?
15:56 < erisco> I guess it